Forgive me I’m posting more than anyone. I’m struck by the fact that the FF all new each other intimately in their previous life. When ellen said everything is in place to be reborn I kinda got the idea that maybe the FF created or had a technology that stored their memories for when the next cylon iteration developed the biological body. Does that make them older than just the two cycles? Will they unlock the remainder of their memories and remember what happened to erf?
Maybe, just maybe - given all he seems to know, his “troublesome” nature and as #1 he has some tie in to the lord/god whose name must not be spoken.
Really gets into the process of trying to figure out if he was the first skin job, or were the FF the first sking jobs? Tigh has been Adamas chum for 30 years. Doesn’t that mean that the second the Cylon war was over he was planted among the humans. Of course, it’s impossible to know until they reveal on the show just who these FF are and how they came in existence 2,000 years after they died.
“name must not be spoken”? Did he actually say that at some point?
Pretty much - it’s all set out at Battlestar WIKI. Search “lords of Kobol” - I think it will get you to it.
I’m pretty sure the FF were the first skin jobs (assuming they are machines, which they probably are not) - at least as to “this round” of S7’s. But the S7’s sure have “characteristics” that could make them seem like lords/gods to ordinary humans - say way back when on Kobol.
If I knew (or even had an inkling) how, when, why the FF 2,000 years after CE was nuked were recreated (or whatever) and ended up in The Colonies (born? planted?), I’d put that information in a bottle and sell it.
I’m thinking that Starbuck is the daughter of Ellen and Tigh. That’s why she renewed into 2.0.
I think she was reborn and ‘placed’ with her abusive mother who spoke of her having a ‘destiny’.
Simon took her ovary, and like Pike said, that card has not been picked back up… yet.
GHAAAA! So much to think about!
My guess for Starbuck is that she is the 13th Cylon, for the 13th tribe.
Each of the tribes is named after one constellation in the Zodiac. There are 13 zodiacal constellations (meaning that the Sun passes through these constellations during the course of the year). The 12 we are all familiar with are the 12 astrological signs. The 13th constellation is Ophiuchus the serpent bearer.
HOLY-informative BATMAN… that is some of the most interesting ish ive read inawhile
That’s basically what I was saying, but I had no idea about the Zodiacal constellations. That makes even more sense now then when I first thought of it.
Coddle? I’ve been in the tank for Coddle for a while now.
I think that a few things are clear at this point - because we have been told them by the writers, to “change” the game would seriously weaken the plot and in order to bring the saga to its conclusion:
-
Ellen Tigh is the FC. Period. End of story.
-
Or perhaps, better stated, she is the 12th Cylon.
-
Nothing “says” that “new” Cylon could not have been created since 6 told Baltar that there were 12 and the note to that same effect was left in Adama’s quarters.
-
And it cannot be ruled out that Starbuck #2 is a Cylon of the FF type a/k/a a 13th Cylon. Starbuck #1 was human. But Starbuck #2 is the result of the same technology (including the use of her ovary) that had been developed on Cylon Earth by the time of its destruction and led to Ellen’s comment to Tigh that they would meet again. At that time, they were humans. The Tigh and Ellen we know “today” are clones in the truest sense of the word. Perhaps even emerging from the wombs of their mothers in The Colonies.
Of course, I am well aware that the devil is in the details re all this and that there is a whole lot of explaining to do for all this to “work”.
Here’s my theory… Starbuck is the daughter of Tigh and Ellen. We know that Tigh can have children, and I presume all of the 5 can do so. So Kara would be a 13th cylon to mirror the 13th tribe… this one different from the others. This woud be especially ironic given the antagonism between Tigh and Starbuck earlier in the series.
I have to agree with the (several) people that have speculated that starbuck is effectively whatever the final five are NOW - not what they were on Earth 2000 years ago but what they are now - which is clones. Somehow the final five we “reborn” on the colonies with all their memories hidden deep within their subconcious. Starbuck is that same thing - except for some reason she was “reborn” with her memories in tact. Doesn’t explain the viper but…
I keep coming back to the idea that the final five have some natural way of being reborn - something that isn’t related to machines or computers but something more mystical (oh noes she sed miztical!!!). And the seven took that idea and duplicated it the only way they knew how.
Until this point though, there has been very little “mystical” in the show and to present any now would be just as bad as what Old Timer pointed out about changing the game.
I’m fairly convinced that one big plot twist we’ll see is the complete and utter abolition of anything mystical in a huge sleight of the hand sort of move: There’s nothing mystical about the FF or even Starbuck’s return and her discovery of her “double” on Erf. Occam’s Razor everyone, the simplest answer is probably correct. The only thing is, I have no idea what the simplest explanation might be.
Amen to all that.
I’m with that. But I still feel very strong about advanced technology. If you could learn to traverse another dimension you would appear to be a god to someone incapable of such a thing.
Sorry, just noticed that bkitty beat me to the punch! I agree with you, bkitty!
How many here think the new Caprica series will have some ‘answers’ and insight to this? I bet that’s another trick up their sadistic sleeves! lol!
No! No! We are brainstorming here! All are welcome in the liiight! I’ve done it, too! lol! Keep those ideas comin’! /RDM
An S7 would seem like a god to a “primitive” human.
Considering that one of the previews for Caprica deals with what is essentially downloading for humans I will bet that you are spot on. But I think that it will explain the origins of such things a bit more in depth. I would hate to think that I would have to wait until Caprica hits in order to know exactly what Starbuck is.
I’m not saying advanced technology won’t have some bearing on all of it, it will have to, but I have yet to see anything mystical that wasn’t a dream sequence. Even the sort of out there mystical prophecies and sooth-saying has had some kind of scientific basis within the show’s canon.