Pan, I agree - I thought Natalie was the dying leader. I even thought that her death and all were a clue that Cottle was the final cylon. whoops!
But it makes sense - she didn’t get to Earth, and perhaps she knows the truth of the opera house, whatever that might be. She was murdered as a result of the opera house visions, at least.
Hmm. You’ve got me thinking now. I think she definitely recognized the significance of Hera, a chance for cylon immortality (albeit through reproduction) in a time where they were facing certain mortality. Maybe the truth of the opera house is that a cylon and human alliance will only ever be tenuous at best while humans and cylons are separate entities, and it may be only a matter of time before the cycle of violence begins anew. Unless, cylons and humans are preserved through hybridization - which Hera represents. Random thought, but that’s as sensical a theory on the opera house as I have ever come up with - and it’s not much considering I have no idea why an opera house has anything to do with that idea. Ah well.
with the first reborn human.
That makes her more like the FF–or does it make just like the FF? That would make her a cylon, yes? /perplexed/
I’m still mad that they killed Natalie like that, I really liked her. I think she was my favorite 6, plus, the other cylons really seemed to listen to her.
As for Starbuck, I’m going with the theory that everybody’s a cylon, and she was the first to be reborn from “erf”.
I have a newbie question. :o I can figure out that FF means Final Five, but I’ve seen people use S7 for the other ones. What does the S stand for?
Huh. Good one. I’ve always focused on the 7 part. “Starting Seven,” perhaps?
Significant 7 - the 7 humanoid Cylons (who are not the FF)
Every time I mention my theories, I get wordy and then they get ignored so I’ll keep this one brief. I believe that the Cylon planet they discovered isn’t Earth, it’s another signpost. Kara turns up and says I know the way to Earth and I’ll take us there and we learn that she followed her own signal to her apparent dead body.
We know she is the Harbinger of Death and as someone else stated this brown crap planet isn’t the home we think they’re after. They showed Earth identifiably when she said that line, but they didn’t show Earth identifiably when they landed. I still believe that they’re almost home and the occupants of the 13th Colony are watching to make sure whomever made it to the ravaged Cylon homeworld are trustworthy.
What is Kara, I don’t know, it’s hard to say. Whatever she found on crap brown planet shouldn’t be her either if Lee saw her Viper blow up in the storm. I’m guessing that either Ellen isn’t actually the fifth and Kara is, or she’s actually “the thirteenth”, a whole new model that we’ll see clues to in later episodes.
Yep. And still wicked hot.
I think she’s fulfilling the role, and perhaps has been lent some power by a divine force (the whole new body thing, you know).
All I can add to the discussion is that you know it’s very bad when Leoben is scared of Kara.
Very bad…and strangely hilarious. 
It’s good to see Leoben scared. He’s always been so cocky and sure of his belief. Plus it puts the power in Starbuck’s hands for a change, when it comes to dealing with him.
The GGG said that ‘The Children of the One Reborn would see the promised land’ - Reborn = Starbuck anyone? I think there is hope for Starbuck and Lee yet. So perhaps, and this is really twisted, Starbuck = Jesus. She was died and reborn to save humanity. That would make Lee Mary, which is hilarious and i can live with that. Which one will have the babies though…
As for Natalie: The GGG said ‘the 6 is back in the Stream which joins the river which joins the stream’ or something like that. Natalie died before the Hub was blown. The Rebel Base Star was out of Rez range before it jumped to join Galactica, but noone said if Galactica was out of Rez Range. I think we may see Natalie again as a captive of the Cavil’s
The RDM commentaries have made it pretty clear that “harbinger of death” was a reference to the Resurrection Hub going kaboom. Granted, that can change, depending what their current plot needs are. But that’s how I’m reading it.
My answer to “What is Starbuck?” ties in with my ongoing “Baltar died at his lake house in the miniseries” obsession: I believe Starbuck, like Baltar, is a somehow-resurrected/reconstructed “instrument of the the Gods.”
I’m not sure how, but I think that’s the what.
Colonel Forte,
Um…first time I heard someone mention that: If Starbuck blew up, how did her dead body get to Erf? Don’t know. Can Vipers jump?
More obfuscation.
I have a Starbuck question, having recently watched that ‘Catch The Frak Up’ video: What was that ‘removing an ovary from Starbuck’ thing all about? Who took it and where is it?
It’s gotta come back to that somehow. if it doesnt, i really can’t think of a way for them to answer it without some superanatural star-trek answer. but even if a clone of starbuck was made… how could it have grown to the age starbuck was when she flew into the maelstrom. and then there’s the issue of the phantom heavy raider. … … …
It seems that it must. Hiker - the episode is The Farm. Battlestar Wiki can give you the details. Suffice it to say here that Starbuck was captured on Caprica and, injured in the process, hospitalized in what was really a Cylon breeding facility. The Cylons appear to have removed one of her ovaries before her escape - unknown to her then (but why not by now, since she is trying to figure out who she is even more than we are?).
The exploding Viper/burned dead body - light years away from where the incident (appears to have) occurred - often asked/never answered.
Thanks Old Timer. I’m going to try the library out this week so i can watch these past episodes.
But if a Cylon breeding facilty has Starbuck eggs, can more Starbucks be far behind?
At this point who the hell knows? I’m still trying to get her smashed Viper and corpse half way across the galaxy.
sorry if this has come up but ive been thinking about ep. “the farm”…didnt they take out an ovary? maybe they cloned her and is not an actual skin job or she has a twin? i cant wait to see how they explaing it!
Hoo-yeah, that’s been mentioned once or twice.
Ron Moore talks about the storywriting process as “laying down cards, and picking them back up.” That’s a card that got laid down, but hasn’t been picked up yet. I’m curious to see if they ever do.
Precisely, I’m surprised I’m the first person to mention that (in this thread that is). I hadn’t thought about the ovary though, that’s pretty much right in line with my “13th” theory.
Consider this, we don’t know how many women and babies were created there, let alone survived and we certainly don’t know the nature of research. Were they trying to create half-breeds or were they trying to make new models?
I also really hate to do this, but I’d really like to hear an explanation or opinion on this as well: