Wow! 37 replies in less than seven hours…
Looks like I hit the nail on the head…
If I’m Jon Stewart, Universal is CNBC and GWC is the audience, I say, “Frack YOU” to Universal, Ron Moore and that redonkulous pigeon Lee chased around the apartment.
Haha. I can’t WAIT to see the ratings on Caprica. I’ve got $5.00 that says it doesn’t last one season.
I dont think anyone expects to get everything answered, but it’d be nice to get most of it resolved so the rest of the seasons make sense.
I thought that last night’s episode was awesome. There will be a huge payoff to those flashbacks, just wait…
I cannot believe how childish people are acting over part one of a three part finale.
So say we all, OT.
I would like to know all the above also. We prpbably won’t get all the ends tied, which will make the re-watches more interesting trying to pick up on any missed clue, lines, etc.
37? In Kevin Smith lore, the magic number.
I edited my initial post before reading this response, and the later version does address some of this episode’s potential missteps. But it’s hour one of a three-episode piece, so I’m giving it the benefit of the doubt. For now. I have some issues with this season, but I’m holding them until I see the whole thing.
I will say this much: I just don’t buy Cavil planting the FF into society so seamlessly. Maybe the longer directors’ cuts will make more sense.
Pacing does seem like a problem this season, but I’m not dissatisfied.
And did anyone else notice Lee was the only one who saw the pigeon?*
I’m not so sure about that pigeon having a huge payoff, O66.
I really think the deaths of Laura’s father and sisters was to give her family to meet on the other side of the river, when she dies.
I don’t see how the 6/Baltar’s father flashback is going to go any further than it has.
To me the big one is Adama’s one hour mission. I think it’s going to connect with his mission to Cylon space in “Hero”.
I shall endevour to be more mature in the future and as is befitting my age.
Im not disappointed yet either, but if the Finale does not blow me away, then I will be. I dont think thats unfair after so many episodes of set up.
Why can’t it (and shouldn’t it) be both? That’s all I’m saying. If the next two hours were consumed by explaining who were The Lords of Kobol, etc. and the characters were dealt with in a summary or inconclusive fashion, that wouldn’t do a whole lot for me either. In fact that would be worse.
I want it all. I remain hopeful.
There were a lot of terrific moments in the show last night and, I bet, one big reason that we are having this “debate” is because it was supposed to be the first hour of a three hour movie - not a stand alone episode.
Soooo, what do folks think The Lords of Kobol were?
Yup, the response does seem a little over blown and I tend to get turned off by knee jerk critiques of ‘bad writing’. Especially for a show that has consistently been so well written and given us such great stories and characters week after week.
It really seems premature to complain about this 3 hour episode after the first hour. The problem seems however that too many people have built up too high expectations of what they need to see to be satisfied. I learned at the end of season three to completely drop all of my own personal expectations for where the show is going. Not because it failed to meet them and became disappointing, but to the contrary, the show willing to completely change direction, reshuffle the deck, and leave us with a mind blowing story to boot.
They floored me with the New Caprica story line and the one year break. Remember how many people were first disappointed with that? Yet it turned out the be some of the most pivotal moments of the series.
I was unfortunate enough to have been spoiled for the end of season 3 because I read a posting on another forum entitled “All Along the Watchtower” and was curious. I read the basic events of the last five minutes of the show and figured it had to be a joke. When I finally watched the season 3 finale episode and heard the first quote of Dylan’s lyrics I was at first disappointing because I knew I had been spoiled, but then amazed at what a great episode that was and left me wanting more.
All these experiences have told me that I have no idea what to expect for fraksake; all I know is it will be a wild ride. Hell, it could all be a dream in Jake the Dog’s head, and if it is, given what I’ve seen so far, I suspect it will still be compelling TV…
BTW, welcome to the forum Order66.
I really would like some of the answers to the many questions, but even it they don’t come, I’m with you missmuffet.
It’s been awesome travelling along with these characters in this universe. I have so, so enjoyed it.
I totally agree with you. And it is a very personal thing, generally I am not the type of person that needs answers, needs things to fit nicely into place. I prefer mystery and a touch of chaos.
I enjoyed the flashbacks. On one level I was happy to be surprised, to be served up some unexpected morsales. I also thought it was fitting that the beginning of the end would takes us back to where it all started. But then again, I’m not as focused on getting answers.
Somewhere early in season 4 I started to care less and less about answers to the questions that initially drew me into the story. I cared less if it was Erf or Earth or the cylon home world but cared more about what will happen to the characters, where will their life journey take them. I don’t really care what Starbuck is, yea is fun to think about it but in the end its not that important to me. Like Adama says to her… I know who you are, you are my daughter. For me that small scene is more powerful and intriguing than know exactly what Starbuck is.
And they have addressed what for me is the ‘big’ question; what does it mean to be alive. The series starts with that question… “Are you alive?” They are all alive, they all matter. What you are does not matter, what you do with your life does. The writers have done a great job of putting that question under the microscope and through the stress test. The way I see it, all the BSG mythos, the politics, the social and personal dynamics, all of that is a way of presenting and answering the question ‘are you alive’.
Nice, OT, let’s not let that question go. I’m hoping for an answer. 
It’s important to keep one’s sense of humor. And still not let that question go.
While we’re at it, who’s Sean Elison (sic?)?
Ok, other thoughts:
I think Lee deparately needs a haircut.
Lee looks so much better in a uniform.
Laura was devasting as she slowly, shakingly made her way to the starboard side.
Athena looked like she has been crying since Hera was taken, and Helo’s tear-filled eyes, so painful to see.
Come on Boomer, redemption time.
Got your back OT.
C’mon, there’s more to them than that. They actually existed and were essential to perpetuating the cycle. As I wrote, it’s the cycle that makes a lot of these “historic” questions interesting and important to me.
To me, that might have been the most striking bit about the episode, how Rawslin is now so feeble. And the contrast between vibrant flashback-Roslinn was powerful.
Once again, everybody: fingers crossed for a flashback appearance of Billy. Hell, I’ll settle for Head Billy.
OT, I admit I’m surprised you’re not heartened by the inclusion of flashbacks; to me, that seems an indication we are going to get to see the cycle in action–maybe the loop is just tighter than we thought.
Boy, K, I hope you’re right. But the 6/father flashback and the dead father and sisters flashback seemed to be pretty straight forward plot devices. Laura’s blind date may be important. Adama’s one hour mission will be important. And I don’t like pigeons.
Ron Moore said he wanted to bring Billy back in Roslins Visions but there was a scheduling conflict.