Season 4.5 is Very Disappointing...

Is it just me, or is anyone else on these forums absolutely bored to tears with this final season?

Why does Moore think I or anyone else finds Baltar’s dad, Rosalin’s sisters, Zak Adama, or back stories that add nothing more to BSG’s already-developed characters? Seriously! It’s the second-last episode!

There are a million billion loose ends to tie up from the rest of the series… and they waste half-an-hour trying to convince me how much more Baltar should love Six because she was nice to his abusive daddy…? Drum up more sympathy for Rosalin…as she takes a shower in a public park? SHE’S ALREADY LOST HER HAIR AND IS SUFFERING FOR PETE’S SAKE!!! Peak our pseudo-intellectual symbolistic curiosities by having Lee chasing down a pigeon in his apartment back on Caprica…?

What the hell do a crotchety old man, a baby-shower, and a pigeon have to do with the survival of the human/cylon races? Anyone?

The characters are already developed. Why the frack did they just waste a half-an-hour more of our time with absolutely nonsensical scenes that add nothing to the show, nothing to the characters, and answer none of our questions?

There are soooooo many exciting possibilities they could have explored in this last season. What a terrible ending to a great series.

The writers may as well still be on strike.

I’ll see it through, of course, and hope that those questions are answered. But I’m glad it’s almost over… this kind of garbage is what ruined the last seasons of the X-Files.

Am I the only one who’s bored to tears by this last season?

I just don’t like the fact that there are a lot of dropped plot lines. At this point in the game the “You will know the truth,” is out the window. They are going to give either 2 hrs, of info dump with a big bang. Or 2 hrs of big bang with only one or two things answered.

I liked the flash backs tonight, but not now. This is stuff they could have done a long time ago. Your right they are giving us back story at the expense of the loose ends being left untouched. I honestly believe the writers strike hurt this show. I am probably in the minority here. But for me a lot of the shows magic pretty much ended in season 2.5. I have not been a big fan of the whole final 5 plot line. To me the past 2 seasons have com off kind of as rushed “ohh yeah let’s…” while forgetting to address a lot of other issues. Don’t get me wrong I still enjoy the show and it’s my favorite one on TV, I’m just not a fan of the direction they went at the endgame portion.

Well here’s to next week. I have to say I don’t think the old man and MANY of the volunteers will survive the assault. In fact i’m getting flashbacks the old Robotech cartoon (that I loved as a kid). When the old rusting shell of herself SDF-1 (space ship) rose out of the lake one last time, to defend the city and save humanity. Taking her skeleton crew and Captain with her as she went out in a blaze of glory.

I completely agree on most of your points. the Caprica flash backs are amazing scenes but they have no place in the story now. they could of done this in season 1 or 2, or they could of done this in ‘the plan’.

introducing a bunch of new characters we’ve never heard a word about or very little (Gaius’s dad,Roslins sisters,Zak to a lesser extent) and expecting me to care about their death is utterly ridicolous.

I wouldn’t put it quite that way… but I hear where you’re coming from.

With 2 hours to go, you might very well be right about that. I think it’ll be big bang, and no info dump. And then wait for The Plan.

I think that might be true… but I’m keeping the faith, anyway.

Doubt it. I’ve discovered it’s possible to like something despite it’s flaws. Example: the movie Sunshine. There are some serious problems with the story… and I like it anyway. I just ignore the stupid bits (like the horror-thriller climax)

So say we all.

Who/what are the Lords of Kobol?

The creators of Lost said that, worst case scenario, they would have a monkey sitting at a desk turn around and face the camera and give an hour’s worth of exposition directly to the audience and explain what everything meant in the show. The BSG writers might want to steal that idea.

The wife missed last episode and even though I DVR’ed it for her, I told he she didn’t miss anything important. I’ve seen clip shows with more depth.

Frankly, I can’t see how we learn who Starbuck is, find out about the song, learn about the “heads”, save Hera, destroy Galactica, see Roslin die, wrap up the cylon story, either save or destroy the human race, reveal the lords of kobal, or find a home for humanity, all in two hours.

I’m worried that we’re not going to get any answers, and are getting a Sopranos ending…

if we don’t get answers the show should of just ended when they found earth,all these plot points they’ve set up over the years, for nothing? the entire show would be ruined for me,pretty much.

I am so with you. I am actually feeling cheated. I mean really Fracking cheated. I love the show and will miss it when it is gone, but what the Frack. There better be some major info dump coming. What where the writers thinking, there should have been one answer given in each episode so far. UHHGGGGG

This season of 10 episodes should have been great, I feel we got ripped off.

I am still hopeful that next week the writers/creators will come through and give us big bang and answers. I will wait until next week to be “officially” disappointed.

That said, I agree with the posts so far. There is so much to wrap up, I do not know how they can do a satisfactory job of it within a two-hour timeframe. Yes, those flashbacks from Caprica were great, they just do not help us with the answers we are looking for when a show is ending.

It’s not over yet. It very possible to have a big bang and answer all of the questions in the last two hours.

During the live call after the ep we all went around and gave a rating…
I gave the ep a D…

I am fine with flashbacks if they have some bearing on the story…

If in fact there is something to them then I will take back my rating but I just don’t get why they showed them…I agree with what Leah said in the call…This is only the firsthalf of an ep that should have been aired as a three hour event…But skiffy thought otherwise…

I’ve felt that the season’s pacing has been terribly rough, that everything has been stretched out but now there are many more questions than the remaining time can answer (which, as mentioned, is why we’re getting “The Plot”).

The one thing I will say is that everyone is really harping on last ngiht’s episode (I mean all over the net), but it’s not really a standalone episode, and it probably should not have aired that way. It’s part of the finale and should be watched through, so it’s not surprising to me that this episode specifically felt like a prolgue to the end; it simply is.

My only beef with the flashbacks was the stilted delivery of the policewoman and the amount of pain heaped up onto poor Roslin. Other than that I really enjoyed the episode and how many plotlines were touched.

OK - let’s see if there’s anything positive plot/big theme wise (the acting remains superb as do the interpersonal relationships) that can realistically be taken from last night’s episode.

  1. Was senior military leadership of The Colonies somehow involved in consciously setting this whole “thing” in motion? (Or is “someone/something” pulling their strings too?) Several of us already suspect this based on the “Hero” episode. The ship that attacked Bulldog and disappeared before what seem to be the “real” Cylons show up has always been tantalizing. Now we have Adama’s one hour mission. Of all the flashbacks last night, that may be the most important to the “big” story.

  2. Now we have senior military again dispatching Adama on a mission he questions to do what. Here’s my educated guess based on a pretty well known spoiler. [spoiler]Getting his friend Tigh into that strip joint so he can meet - remeet - Ellen. That seems like a pretty ridiculous mission at face value - and gods know how his superiors would explain to Adama why it was necessary - but what else can it be? Also, does it indicate that the senior military “knew” more about the FF, the cycle, gods know what than we ever thought?[/spoiler]

  3. Along these same lines, the deaths of her sisters and father indirectly lead to Laura’s date with what’s his name. Is what’s his name Mr. President? Is that what gets her back into politics. Is that what ultimately has her off Caprica at the time of the attack and you know the next of the story? To set this in motion were the deaths of her family members not accidental?

  4. The cycle is better than the alternative. The alternative requires an end of natural reproduction - that is the extinction of all humans and the FF. And failure of Cavil’s experiments with Hera and a return to resurrection to propogate the “metal” and “human” Cylons. If natural reproduction ends and all we have left is “true” Cylons, then there never will be any more humans (or FF type Cylons for that matter) to “recreate” life in their own image thereby perpetuating the cycle.

  5. By the way, if Cavil knew Starbuck was a hylon and had anything to do with her rebirth, he would not need Hera.

Sigh…I don’t know, I don’t know, I don’t know.

And I don’t think I’ll know next week either.
I think that back-story is just too big (and too late) for them to tackle.:frowning:

But, at least I got see Baltar’s dad.:rolleyes:

OT baltar said in the last ep that starbuck was human…

I’m with WiseBob (he’s wise, that Bob). I’m not disappointed yet. Has every episode been The Best Ever? No. Has every detail been tied up? No.

But think about this: what were the Two Big Questions going into Season 4?

  1. Will they find Earth?
  2. Who is the Final Cylon?

We’ve had both of those answered (well, sort of on the first, but walk with me here) long before the finale. I think the writers realized that letting those two questions go until the end of the series would make them anticlimactic when they were finally answered, and would distract the audience from the real point of the story. So they got them out of the way, and as the story has evolved since then, we’ve realized that there are other, more important questions:

  1. Who/What is Starbuck, and what is her destiny?
  2. What is Hera’s role?

And these two questions have been tied into the very theme and plot of the story going forward. How can we have any idea if it’s impossible to answer them with two hours left? Anything can happen. After four seasons of BSG, we’ve come to learn that lesson pretty well. I don’t think RDM and co. are suddenly going to forget how to write and leave us with two hours of explosions and nothing else.

And besides these questions of pure exposition, there are far more important questions about the fate of the characters that concern me more:

  1. Will Roslin live?
  2. Will Baltar find redemption, or justice (or both)?
  3. Will Starbuck get Sam back?
  4. Will Apollo succeed as President?
  5. Will Adama drop the bottle and get his command mojo back?
  6. Will the Agathons be reunited?
  7. How will the Galactica end her service?
  8. Will the human race continue, and if so, in what form will it continue?

Honestly, I may be biased because I’m one of those viewers who truly doesn’t care who or what the Head characters are or exactly how Starbuck came back. I’m more concerned with the end results of the story than with complicated explanations for how things in previous episodes happened. If these revelations serve to push events forward and deepen our understanding of the story and characters, then I’m good. Otherwise, tell me what happens next.

So, I’m happy with the show and intend to suck every last ounce of enjoyment out of these last two hours that I can.

Missed that, but that’s what I’ve thought all along. Must have been focused on that Lee pigeon scene. I have no frakkin’ idea what that was about.

I’m sorry, but what plot points need to be resolved other than Starbuck and the significance of “All Along the Watchtower?”

Who cares what the Lords of Kobol were? If they answer that question then the writers settle the religious issue by stating, unequivocally, that God/the gods is/are real and that there truly is no mystery to the universe.

The head people? Again, who cares? Like Sean, I’ve always felt that these were strongest when left open to interpretation. Are they chips? Manifestations of a different set of players in the drama? Manifestations of a character’s subconscious? Memories? Figments of the imagination? Yes, yes, yes and yes.

What was the purpose of the final five? To end the cycle of war between man and machine.

What is the significance of Hera? She’s the “shape of things to come,” a symbol for the need for these two races to unite as one. (One of my favorite things they’ve done this second half of the season has been how they’ve brought this plot point from season one to a point where it needs a resolution.)

One question I do want answers for is whether or not these people will find a home. I want them to. I fear a dark, difficult ending and feel that these characters deserve some happiness in their lives, at least here at the end. I don’t think they’re getting their happy ending.

What do the flashbacks add to these “already developed characters?” More depth. They serve to remind us how far they (and we) have come on this journey and show us a glimpse to the time before the very beginning and how much deeper the connections between these people are than we ever really knew.

I am reminded of something very astute that Kurt Vonnegut wrote in “Breakfast of Champions” (I’m afraid I’ll have to paraphrase, though): life has neither a middle nor an end and things don’t resolve neatly, so I’m not going to give you a neat ending to this story. Things are constantly left unresolved in life. Why should this show, which has been, even (especially?) within the context of science fiction, so much about reflecting a sense of verisimilitude in the lives of its characters as a reflection of our own, tie up EVERY lose end neatly with a bow? Life does not work that way. People die suddenly. Relationships fall apart without warning. The end just comes without the benefit of a middle (sometimes not even a beginning).

We’ll get a resolution next week. It might not be the resolution all of us want, but it will be a resolution.

  1. Was senior military leadership of The Colonies somehow involved in consciously setting this whole “thing” in motion? (Or is “someone/something” pulling their strings too?) Several of us already suspect this based on the “Hero” episode. The ship that attacked Bulldog and disappeared before what seem to be the “real” Cylons show up has always been tantalizing. Now we have Adama’s one hour mission. Of all the flashbacks last night, that may be the most important to the “big” story.

My issue with this theory (I’m not even touching no. 2, Old Timer, as I imagine the answer is simpler than what you’re suggesting) is that both Adama and the guy he was talking to were wearing civilian clothing. If this were a military briefing, doesn’t it follow that they’d both be in uniform? (Could any of you who are members of the armed forces shed some light on this?). Unless he’s taking up a job for a intelligence agency or freelancing (illegally?) for the private sector…in any case, there’s not enough information yet to answer that question.

I will say this, the episode certainly felt arbitrarliy cut off at the “to be continued” card. This really should have been a three hour finale movie and I hope that the DVD set will edit the three sections of “Daybreak” together so they can be seen the way they were obviously originally intended to be seen.

Originally Posted by Old Timer
Who/what are the Lords of Kobol?

Sigh…I don’t know, I don’t know, I don’t know.

And I don’t think I’ll know next week either.
I think that back-story is just too big (and too late) for them to tackle.

But, at least I got see Baltar’s dad.

Seriously, who gives a flying frak about the Lords of Kobol? Back stories are meant to give depth to the “front” story. One of the flaws with the Star Wars prequels is that, since they’re based on the back story for the original trilogy, they themselves lack a back story. They’re ALL back story, and this makes them structurally weak (and yet I still liked those. Go figure!).

Baltar’s dad, on the other hand, was not so much a character as a way to give Baltar and Caprica Six’s relationship a bit more depth. While it seemed a tad ret-conny to have Caprica Six suddenly seem more sympathetic in the pre-attack days, I found it interesting, given what we now know about the Final Five and their relationship to the other cylons, that she would take offense at Gaius’ treatment of his father and do something to make the old man more comfortable and happy (though part of me–the part that remembers the miniseries–wonders if she REALLY put him in that rest home and didn’t simply dispose of him).

That flashback also adds significant depth to Gaius’ view of himself as he tells Lee, perhaps taking the first honest look at himself in his life, that “no, I wouldn’t trust me either.”

That’s far more interesting to me than who the Lords of Kobol are/were. (Though I’d venture that, like the Final Five are rather idealized cylons, the LOK are idealized humans who have become gods in the colonials’ legends, much in the same way that OUR gods follow the same pattern.)

EDIT:
Stroogie, you make a GREAT point. I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels the way you do.

im sorry but just because you don’t care about allot of the plot points doesn’t mean others don’t.

you can’t just ignore plots points and dismiss this as ‘who cares’ thats ridiculous, and its called bad writing. the head characters have been the driving point of the entire series, saying you don’t care if it gets resolved is fine for you, but its not for everbody.

all you’re doing is giving the writers huge breaks they don’t deserve. these guys are not incapable, and we should expect more out of them then what we’ve gotten this season.