GWC Podcast #214

lol!

Om nom nom!!

i think that’s fine. firefly actually rocks in a very campy way, but it rocks. there is a bit too much sensitivity here around “haters” and “trolls”. Chuck accused me of hate mail twice and i have been called a troll just for pointing out the obvious about Transformers.

that’s okay all in all i support GWC’s positive take on the genre, it is refreshing (although i will write ‘transformers sucks’ on my epitaph godamnit)

i didn’t realize we need to be sensitive to haters and trolls… especially when they are not sensitive about things other people enjoy…

ditto.

Jayne

can I get a “So Say We All” alpacas & alpaquettes? :smiley:

So say we all!

To quote Ah-nuld Schwarzenneger in Batman and Robin, let’s everybody chill. The trolls are looking for troll action, and it only makes them stronger. If we show them there’s a better way – either by silence or example – they’ll either adapt or go away.

A legitimate beef is fine. My wife didn’t dig Transformer, either. Not her thang. Yet, it’s all about the way the argument is communicated. Name calling is the last resort of the…hehe. See what I did there?

There was an interesting discussion about the Red Letter Media guy and his reviews of the Star Wars prequels and Star Trek films in this thread. It’s obvious they guy loves both franchises but he makes very valid points about the films in a humorous way.

It seems to me that in contrary to a troll you are not looking to antagonize people with your comments, you just have strong views and a particular way of expressing them. If you dig GWC, get on board and focus on the good and downplay the bad. Enjoy and celebrate the aspects of the films/TV/Books of the genre we all love.

I could take you more seriously if you’d get a haircut, you damned hippie. However, your words are well-said and I agree. :smiley:

And now I see why he is referred to the old snickers the wise snickers the great breaks into laughter Frakkintalos!

Sorry man, I can’t take you entirely seriously with the mixture of sexy-bald man and palm tree hair.

No, but seriously, I do agree here, especially with the last sentence. And now I’m going to go check out those articles.

I need to work on a Conan avatar. So ‘The HAIR. The HAIR!!’ will be a fond memory soon.

It’s difficult to top Badger’s Conan avatar, though.

Coming to this real late as I’m two weeks behind thanks to an Icelandic volcano!

Re the Halo movie. The big problem you’re going to have with casting MAster Chief is the same problem you had with Judge Dredd. No half way decent actor, or failing that even Sly Stallone, will go a whole movie without taking off thier helmet.

In fact even beyond that, a movie is not like a comic book or a game, and the audience (especially the general audience) is going to struggle to connect to a main character who just wears a helmet all the time.

So, the helmet has to come off, at which point you’ve seriously broken with the source. What’s more, it probably has to stay off for some reason, which is not going to make a lot of sense for MC. If you’re good you can probably make it work, but its a challenge.

Re music showing you are old. A few years ago I was in a McDonalds and I geuninely heard a Muzac version of Paradise City by Guns’n’Roses. I couldn’t beleive my ears and I still struggle to understand how and why such a thing could happen.

David Prowse did it for 3 Star Wars movies. Just need to find an actor who wants a paycheck and who is willing to check his ego at the door .

Yeah, not sure David Prowse has the star power to headline a decent sized movie :o)

Besides, it’s not just about the actor, as an audience people would struggle to connect with a hero whose face you never see. It very common in movies like this for there to be some contrivance that makes the hero take off thier helmet for the final battle, despite all logic saying you should keep it on. Think of Robocop or even Iron man where both he and Iron Monger end up taking off their helmets at the end, plus throughout the movie they use the trick of showing you thier faces inside the helmets to overcome this issue.

My point is you don’t have to put your “star power” in the helmet. You put a good actor in the helmet, surround him with some talent and let his character take the story where it needs to go.

Audiences believed in Vader as the bad guy without seeing his face through 2 movies and most of a 3rd. Personally I would have been fine if they hadn’t unmasked him in Jedi. I don’t think it would be a problem to have a hero in a helmet and never seeing his face as long as the story was well written and believable.

What’s the point of getting a good actor if you never see them? You might as well use a CGI avatar and hire a voice over artist.

What works for a villian doesn’t work for a hero, and in fact Vader is an excellent example of this because as soon as he turns good we see his face (and conversely it’s when he turns bad that it gets hidden in the first place).

Off the top of my head I can’t think of a single hero character in any major TV show or movie who never shows thier face. Meaning proper heros, not just supporting cast like C3PO, Boxey’s Daggit or K9 :slight_smile:

I remember reading an interesting article about this when Judge Dredd came out, with them basically saying it wouldn’t work for him to keep his helmet on all the time despite all the fan outrage this caused.

Another interesting example that comes to mind (although this one is a baddy) is Frost in Blade. In the DVD extras they explain that originally when he becomes the vampire god at the end he turned into a big CGI blob monster thing. Test screenings showed that the audience immediately lost their connection with the character when he stopped having a human face to relate to. So they re-shot the scene to keep the actor playing him to the end and got a much better response.

So then the writers need to use both the game and the novels for the movie. In Halo: The Flood they have Master Chief without the helmet according to the Wiki page on Master Chief. :smiley: Problem solved, well if PJ and crew get it going again.

The hero doesn’t have to be the protagonist.

Hugo Weaving in V. His ambiguity on the villain/hero spectrum may be his saving grace in relatability, but it doesnt detract from his acting. Halo, though, has other things working in favor of getting people into the theater like a stock of cultural cache and a fan base I would argue is far greater than Iron Man (for example). Those two things will get people into seats opening weekend, and if its sufficiently entertaining youll get both word of mouth and multiple viewings from the bigger fans. I dont really think the helmet will sink a Halo movie, excessive production cost probably would, but I think the helmet is only a minor impediment.

Actually, I’ve thought about this quite a bit in relation to the Halo movie. There’s a pretty significant backstory to how John becomes a Spartan in the first place. It’d make great sense for the movie to start there, with the locking down of the helmet as a turning point. Honestly, I don’t think the helmet is the issue. I think it’s the incredible value of the IP and the difficulty of lining up all the parties involved based on their needs, rights, and schedules.