I think you are right.
I mentioned in the talkshoe that I think Sean is going to get that third party he has been pulling for.
Chuck, in the podcast you talked about the original BSG and how long the fleet had been traveling. I was going to try too summarize the beginning but instead decided to quote wikipedia as they did a better job then I can.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Twelve_Colonies
In the 148 minute pilot film, it is established that, at the end of the Thousand Yahren War, the Cylon Alliance, through Colonial representative Count Baltar, sues for peace with the twelve Colonies of man. The Colonials send a fleet of five warships known as Battlestars, to rendezvous with their arch enemies, and to escort the Quorum of the Twelve (the Colonial governing body) and President Adar to sign the treaty. However, the peace treaty is a deception, a betrayal of humanity by the Baltar character, who convinces President Adar to keep the fleet off alert status for fear of an incident with the Cylon delegation, even going so far as to characterize a wall of approaching fighters as “possibly a Cylon welcoming committee”. The plan works, and the Battlestars are caught totally off guard and all but one is destroyed. The Battlestar Galactica survives only because its commander, Adama, suspicious of the Cylons, has the foresight to put his ship on alert and his fighters ready to launch on the pretense of a battle stations drill.
As the story progresses, Adama learns from his fighter patrol that the Cylon fighters are supported by tankers, not the Cylon Base ships that normally carry them. Rightly suspecting a feint, the Galactica races to defend the Colonies, but too late. The Cylon forces are portrayed as attacking the Colonies, destroying them utterly, first via fighter attack, and then by Cylon troops deployed to the surface, as illustrated on the colony of Caprica, when Adama goes searching for his wife, and when Baltar is told by the Cylon troops of stories of ships escaping.
The story of the Colonies destruction ends as survivors heed Adama’s call, and those who can flee in whatever ships will carry them and join the Galactica in “fleeing the Cylon tyranny”.
Oh, I was on talkshoe, If I lifted you Idea I am sorry. :o
Oh please! 
I enjoyed the holy frak out of it!
But I got it from Sean too so your ok.
Strange thought. I just got back from seeing the play Eurydices, a reverse look at the Greek myth of Orpheus. Not being too familiar with the original, I went back and looked it up when I got home. Orpheus in the myth was the son of one of the Muses, gifted with musical ability. He was also a Thracian prince, who as a people were gifted musically. Perhaps it is not a coincidence that Starbuck’s name is Kara Thrace. Maybe she is the child of Daniel. She was remembering her father playing the piano back in her apartment in Caprica. She also drew the Eye of Jupiter as a child, something her father would have shown her perhaps. It’s a bit of a stretch, but it just struck me.
Has anyone picked up that the name of Eric Stoltz’s character on Caprica is Daniel Graystone? Hmmmm . . . .
On to more crucial topics, on one of the commentaries, Ron Moore confirmed that The Swirl came as an homage to the Seinfeld episode “The Fusilli Jerry”.
Hi,
I will have to review, but didn’t Anders speak of the 13th tribe? If I understood correctly, the cylons on Earth aren’t the 13th tribe of mankind.
Gerald
By way of EXTREME coincidence, John Hodgeman also appeared on NPR’s “Wait, wait, don’t tell me” on the exact same day as GWC 151 was released! How strange is that?
…ok, it was a “best of” but still. He was very very funny.
Chuck/Sean,
You commented on Adama’s use of pills washed down with alcohol (never a sign of "Hey! Everything’s going to be just fine!) and as I’m hurtling through Season 2, the episode where Racetrack can’t land her Viper due to being jacked up on stims, I noticed that Adama’s pills and the stims Starbuck takes from Racetrack look the same.
Maybe BSG can’t fund the budget for different colored pills, or maybe our exhausted Admiral is indulging in some ‘mother’s little helper’, as opposed to dying from some yet-unmentioned ailment.
RDm said on his podcast they were pain pills. It doesn’t mean he’s not sick- he could have arthritis or any number of pain inducing conditions.
aw, i was going for stims, too. explains the brushing.
to be honest, that should be mentioned in the show. i shouldn’t have to hear the podcast to know what kind of pill adama is taking.
Oh bugger, stims made good sense.
I’ll have to re-imagine my own show…:rolleyes:
Gods, the original was so stupid. From that summary you’d think everyone but Adama was an idiot.
They recognized there was an attack coming because the Raiders were escorted by tankers rather than base ships? What, the Cylons couldn’t spare a couple of base ships? All of the colonies are quickly destroyed by fighter attacks? The destruction of five battlestars left twelve planets defenseless?
Old BSG is the only show I’ve ever watched and come to the conclusion the creators were mentally deficient. And I wouldn’t say that if I had seen oBSG fans here, so please don’t take offense.
What Anders was talking about when he mentioned signs? That he saw a woman and tori saw a man? I don’t remember this at all
The live stuff messed with his head. Your ship growing would mess with most of us.
Probably that they all saw “Head people.”
No offense taken here (I am an old BSG fan) but I am not sure if it was poorly thought out or just not that important. Ron Moore talk about on this weeks podcast that how Ellen escaped was not important to him and had to be talked into it. I personally feel the show would have lacked with out the scene. It may be that the attack itself was not that important or cost to much to do right.
I also cut the old BSG some slack due to when pilot/movie was make, 1978.
Hey everyone…longtime downloader, first time poster…
I was out with the fish yesterday, and it occurred to me…
I’ve been thinking about Adama’s health, and I think we’ve got a few clues that seem to indicate he’s taking Kamala, not stims, likely filched from Laura’s supply. As Honey Bunny the Oracle stated on New Caprica to D’Anna, Kamala tastes terrible, which would explain the excessive teeth brushing. I’m sure Doc Cottle also has him on something else to minimize the hallucinations, but I think the Admiral’s got the big C. Which would also make a potential for the dying leader…
I also saw it mentioned upstream (sorry to not attribute), but I’m pretty convinced that Daniel and Socrata Thrace got it on, which makes Starbuck the first true Humulon. I’ll bet anyone a quarter on it.
Great episodes, great discussion, and great podcasts guys! We’re sprinting to the finish, and it’s a really fun ride. Is it Friday yet?
Earl,
There are reasonable explanations for the deficiencies of the old show.
Glen Larson had litterally six months to go from pitched summary of plotline to prime-time screen aire. With the cost of finding cast, special effects, and administration, the writers litterally did not have enough time to fill the holes. The actors were actually handed new script . . . on stage. I believe that the fact that the actors were able to pull off the lines as good and professional as they were, is a testament that they could hold their weight as actors . . . Richard Hatch, Jane Seymour, John Colicos, Dirk Benedict, et al included.
Yes, there are fans of the original show on this forum. The reason we have a BSG today, is because the idea of the original show was “THAT” good (ship of lights included).
Frankly, when I started watching the new show, I only did so because I liked the tech. I originally hated the new plot differences. :eek: I did not start liking the new show for anything other than Vipers until the episode ‘Hand of God’ (Starbuck coming back in the Raider) and the introduction of Tom Zarek. My favorite new series character is Galen Tyrol. I still, however, love the old series and if I had to choose between Kandyse McLure as Dee and Laurette Spang as Cassiopia; Sorry Dee, Cassiopia wins hands down every day of the week.
Earl, keep the disclaimer. 
I respect it, but I love the old series no matter what I may read in this forum.
By the way, “Lucky” has been rewatching the old series with a point of view you might find humorous. Check it out.
-Ethan:cool:
Yes. He can put down the bottle, start paying attention to what’s going on around him, and start making decisions via some sort of rational method!
FWIW, you’ve got my disappointment with Adama down pat, but I think you’re missing the source of it. I never had a problem with Adama’s choice to install cylon tech on the fleet. I did have a problem with the fact that he – and Roslyn – didn’t make any attempt to sell the fleet on the concept or even communicate to the fleet their reasoning.
This is a pretty key point and worth reiterating: Regardless of whether they must actually give the fleet any say in the decision, the method by which they present the idea to the fleet can pose just as much risk to the future of humanity as the decision itself. This also exemplifies a really important concept in military leadership: Authority does not diminish one’s responsibility to lead.
As far as Adama’s application of cylon tech to save the Galactica, you’ve completely misunderstood me. I’m all for it. I don’t think he really has any other valid choices at this point. I think it was Sean or Audra who pointed out that they could see why Adama might be opposed to the idea, but as far as I know neither Sean or Audra really oppose the idea themselves.
But again, regardless of how I feel about the actual decision outcome my disappointment in Adama comes from his poor decision-making process: get s—faced in his quarters, then make the decision. Ouch!
You’re of course correct, sir.
Most of my memory of BSG TOS comes from watching it when I was a kid, and ironically I never saw the first episode. So my kid-brain just kinda put it together that the part I liked (spaceships and space battles) was all there was. A quick trip to Wikipedia shows (assuming someone like me hasn’t been editing it lately) that the big difference seems to be that the war was forty years long in the current series and a thousand years in the last.
Any BSG moment that calls up memories of watching Cosmos is, IMHO, a good one.
But damn, even 53 years is a long time to sit around playing cards. And aging would still be an issue.
OK, that’s just badass.