Given the wear and tear on Galactica and the fact that Ellen is returning and Sam now knows the secret to Earth, I wonder if their one option is to return to Earth with the new knowledge that somehow makes it work as a new home???
I completely agree with you about where the writers have gone with Tori, but I actually think she was a bit less one-dimensional in her coldness to the humans in this episode. Watch her expressions in the scenes with Rosalin–I see a certain, very slight softness there that seemed to be a brief flicker of complexity to the character. Having said that, we might not be too shocked that all of the final five are not equally developed as characters. What do we really know about the 4s (Simon) or 5s (Doral)? Sad to say, but given the constraints they’re under, Tori may be as developed as she needs to be to serve the larger narrative.
Are you frakking kidding me?! I think you should change your name to “UndeservedSenseOfEntitlement”. The podcast is free, voluntary, and frakking AWESOME! Start your own podast if you don’t like it.
That is a lot of effort to go through. If I don’t like a podcast, I unsubscribe and stop listening, not go to that podcast’s forum make an account, and complain.
While I generally also just stop subscribing to podcasts I don’t like, I don’t think RedEye is out of line here. I sure didn’t remember Kelly for who he was since I have only seen the third season once, and while the cast wasn’t terribly helpful in identifying him, I wasn’t upset about it; after all, I couldn’t remember a guy who is occasionally important but often non-existant. It really goes back to what you want out of the cast, and anyone who puts product out there into the world should not only allow for feedback, but be open to the contents of said feedback. It’s how they get better. It seems to me that RedEye generally likes the podcast but found this episode galling on a few different levels, and I can tell you I don’t like every second of it (even after only four episodes) - I like most of it and that’s enough for me, because I hate almost every podcast I’ve ever heard.
It may have helped for the crew to do a bit of research before the confusion struck during the cast for sure, but I was able to come onto the discussion and find all the clarification I needed, which was great. Ultimately, as long as its 95% accurate (which it is), the podcast is great. The moment they mix up Apollo and Roslin is the moment my left eyebrow arches and I find myself open to other podcasts. I’m here for the discussion that layers an episode of BSG further than I’d ever think about, and really fleshes out the universe for me in a way I don’t really consider. That’s what I’m looking for. But it doesn’t mean that everyone else looks for the same thing, or looks for it in the same way, and it doesn’t make them wrong.
Those fools!(Man o man o man - I never get tired of “saying” that.) (It’s spelled Kelly btw, if we’re going to get into serious details.)
raises glass to Steve
Let’s not over-react to one critical post guys. This ain’t the Skiffy forum remember. Everyone’s opinions are welcome here, even those most of us don’t agree with.
So, I guess what you’re saying is:
“You’re not wrong, Redeye…you’re just an Lebowski!”
bkitty rolls on the floor laughing her sorrybarb off!
I loved the podcast. Due to a Tivo mixup I wasn’t able to download the show until Saturday morning, when I was able to retrieve it On Demand. And I wasn’t able to watch until Saturday afternoon. As a result, as soon as I was done with the show, I found that the GWC podcast was available, and I dove right in. I was running it through my stereo, and the Trinity boomed throughout the house.
The 'cast was awesome. Some of the most in-depth discussions I’d heard from our hosts in weeks. They were clearly very much into the events of the episode, and I completely enjoyed each one laying out their points of view. By now, if you’ve been in for the long haul, you have an idea of where each host stands in regards to specifics, be it a feeling about a character, or the political slant each feels the show is taking. And it’s all very entertaining, fascinating, and just plain Gods Damned fun. I don’t agree with everything everyone says every minute. And I don’t expect three people to talk off the cuff for, what’s it been, 300 hours (?) now, without making a few mistakes. Who cares? Every week GWC gives me something new to think about in regards to the show that I wouldn’t have thought of otherwise. They’ve also widened my sci-fi world in every way.
That’s why I’ll listen to these folks for as long as they put it out there, on whatever topic they choose. Like most of you out there, I get it. Some don’t. That’s their loss, I guess.
I’m not frakking kidding you.
If I understand you correctly, expecting the same good quality podcasts I’ve enjoyed for the past few years reflects a sense of undeserved entitlement?
I respectfully disagree.
I listen to a few BSG podcasts, and GWC is head and shoulders above the others in quality and quantity. The GWC crew has set a level of quality that I expect when I download the podcast and listen. If they slip up every now and then, it’s forgivable. They’re humans with real lives outside the podcasts. If the quality slips on a regular basis, then I don’t believe I’m out of line in voicing my opinion.
From my perspective, the post was kind of like telling a friend that they have a booger hanging out of their nose. It’s a little unpleasant, but it saves them some embarrasment. It was not meant to disrespect Sean, Audra, or Chuck, and their hard work on the podcasts. I’ll continue to listen and now that I see there’s a way to contribute to the podcast, I’ll support them financially as well.
I never said I didn’t like the podcast.
My account has been here since the forum opened. Though I’m not really moved to offer an opinion on much, because I do not enjoy flame wars. I have better things to do. In this case, I felt that I had something important to say. It was a lot of effort to tell the people, who make something I like, that they’re slipping up. I want them to do better.
Jarathen and Gryper,
Thank you for a little understanding.
To the rest,
Sorry. I can’t follow blindly.
“Flame Wars” Redeye?? Really?
Flame Wars are prolonged hostile messages sent over the internet. On this Forum? In this Community? I don’t know what to say. You’ve got the wrong group, my friend. I’ve never seen a one here. Even when we disagree, the beauty of this community is that we do it with grace. With respect for each other. Once in awhile someone barges in and tries to act like a jerk, and without exception the community has tactfully taken a stand to prevent further such craaap.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Just as the rest of us are. I find it odd, however, that you chose to remain completely silent since the Forum’s inception, until now, awakening to criticize your hosts. To me, that seems to be very bad form. Of course, that is just my opinion.
Of course not. Sheep have the sense to bleet before they get slaughtered. 
…which comes back to an interesting point: No character from the original series has died in this series (with the obvious exceptions of Starbuck and Boomer, both of whom came back). Cain, of course, died in both series, but otherwise it seems significant that that extends even to minor characters.
Not to mention that Zeus warned that returning to Kobol would lead to a great cost in blood. Not that things could really get much worse…
Unlikely. Boomer sided with the Cavilry, against the rest of her model. And she was on the Hub before its destruction; even if she escaped, she couldn’t have gotten on the Basestar in any case.
Thanks for chiming in, Redeye.
I have to admit, I had the same confusion that CS&A did, probably b/c we only see Kelly once or twice a season. But you’re absolutely right to point that out. Heck, call that in and I bet they’ll play it.
A bit late to welcome you aboard, but keep posting. The GWC Hive Mind won’t function if people don’t point out mistakes.
Yes I really wrote that. Really.
bkitty’s vaguely insult-like comment aside, this debate has been largely flame free. Perhaps I missed the ‘no flame war’ clause in the board charter. Thanks for setting me straight on the matter.
As for not piping up until I had a negative opinion of an aspect of the podcast: Fortunately, the economy slowed down in time for me to have some time to start posting. Unfortunately, the only thing I felt strongly about was the inaccuracies of some details of the podcast.
Was it bad form? I don’t believe so. It was an honest assessment, not made in malice and not presented as to personally insult Chuck, Audra, or Sean. I love the work they do and don’t want to see it turn into craaaap.
Hell, if I had a chance to throw my two cents to Shatner, right before he took up the helm of Star Trek V, perhaps it could have made a difference. Even if it didn’t, I could have still been okay with having tried.
Thanks for the greeting and I just may give them a call.
It is this sort of sentiment that has made me continue to listen to the podcast and check out the forum.
Aaaah, but we don’t know that Cain died. The Pegasus vanished between two exploding base-stars, but, as the old saying goes, “they never found a body.”
Now, to be sure, Old School BSG applied to the 1970s sci-fi rule that if it blows up, it completely vaporizes. I mean, the Atlantia, the base-ship over Carillon, Carillon itself … booom, but no debris. And what was it about blowing up planets in the 1970s anyway??? 
But, even Adama voices doubt as to whether or not the Pegasus was destroyed.
Of course, what good it’ll be with most of its fighters on Galactica, who knows?
Listening now to the late-released RDM podcast, I have to disagree with that (and what you folks said in the podcast itself). 100% understandable, but I still see Zarek as a guy who thinks he’s doing the right thing…and I have Ron Moore on my side in that camp, apparently 
Not saying Zarek’s even remotely right about it being the right thing, but he did sincerely believe it. Considering this is a guy that’s tried to play by the rules, and then also tried to win revolutions before, he knows what it takes, and unfortunately what it takes is a bit too ugly when there’s only a few thousand people left in the galaxy and everything’s falling apart.
Furthermore, it’s worth pointing out (again something I had been thinking, then felt quite overjoyed to hear that RDM saw things the same way), the coup’s failure was for the most part the clash of Zarek’s bleak realism with Gaeta’s idealism. If Gaeta had done what Zarek wanted to, just killed Adama right off the bat (with some “shot while he was trying to escape” explanation) it seems tremendously unlikely that people could have rallied to take back the ship. On the other hand (and this is more my own conjecture; I’m only 19 minutes into the RDM 'cast, so I don’t know what he thought of the eventual failure), killing the Quorum and the other crossings of the line meant that the coup lost the moral high ground that Gaeta wanted to stay on. The two approaches crippled eachother.
But speaking of the Quorum, I love the RDM podcasts for the insight into the generation of the show and this one held something quite interesting, especially to anyone who was at all captivated by the Richard Hatch interview:
Richard Hatch was the one who suggested that the Quorum stand up to Zarek.
I thought that was an interesting little nugget.
I still agree with Sean that this isn’t our Earth but I was looking at the Battlestar Wiki entry for Earth and they have a picture of Starbuck’s gun camera footage from her visit to Earth and prominently featured in the photograph is our Moon.
As the Terrific Trio pointed out we haven’t seen the Moon over Erf but I have to think someone in the Fleet might have noticed if the planet they went to didn’t have a large moon when one was clearly shown in the photos that Starbuck took.