I loved Roslin’s defiant battlecry response to Zarek. I stood up and cheered!
I don’t believe it was revenge driven (well of course there was some of that), but rather, I think it said, “This will not hold, and I’m coming after you.”
It gave me chills. Go Roslin.
I can wholeheartedly understand the admirals need and desire to eliminate the treacherous serpent we all know as Tom Zarek. From the moment he stepped out of his cage he has always proven himself to be an individual whose imperious urges were always cleverly concealed as aspirations of a “true democracy” (much like our dear old friend Skeevy Cavil.) Geata on the other hand, is the epitome of good intentions paving the way to hell. The way BYBBQ 8 plays him from New Caprica up to her final disposition in the Webisodes really makes an argument for caution in any kind of alliance with the cylons. For Geata , it must have been absolutely terrifying to believe his leaders were being suckered like he was. He didn’t thirst for power and personal gain. He was led blindly by fear, and manipulated by false hope Both with BYBBQ8 and Tom Zarek.
In the words of the immortal “Grail Knight”; “He chose…poorly”
Yeah, unfortunately . . . that pretty much sums it up. Given his circumstances , I honestly thought he might be the final cylon.
“And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.”
He seemed to fit the billing rather well.
I assume you are doing that as a joke, because it would hurt me if you were serious and didn’t know the name of the president after watching the show for so long ?
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Sorry! Had a Shakespeare spelling moment there. I watch the show; I don’t post enough to get the names perfect and I was more excited about the political fallout and population count. 
If there’s a next time, I’ll just put in Laura.
I think Boomer is with the Cavels or off by her self after the Hub was distoryed. I don’t think the other 8’s would have let her re-join so fast.
I think the commentary is going a bit too far down the Adama and Roslin are selfish line. I agree that they are inherently human, and inherently falable. But, in the end, they’re prime motivations are rather clear.
Adama’s motivations are 1. The Ship, 2. Roslin 3. The Fleet
Roslin’s motivations are 1. The Fleet 2. Adama 3. The government.
I really don’t think there was a “lesson” to be learned. That is part of the tragedy of the last two episodes. Everyone is wrong, everyone is human, everyone lost…
Actually Ebonheart, I agree with you. I’d say I’m more disappointed in how they got here. There are ways in which a representative democracy is “supposed” to work. Roslin knows it. It’s disappointing when your hearoes turn out to be more fallable than you thought they were. Ultimately, this is not an ideal situation. Everyone has made collossal mistakes, if they had the luxury of foresight, they could have prevented some of these thigns from happening. In the end, they made the deisions they made out of a sincere with to do what is best for the fleet. Too many times people feel they know best & that “the people” do not know what’s best for themselves. In the end, maybe they don’t but they are the ones who need to make their own mistakes.
I think also, this is the beauty & brilliance of the show, the “heroes” are not heroes at all. They’re people who make mistakes & they haven’t been given the “hollywood” glamorization we usually get. They make bad decisions, they have to pay for those bad decisions.
Perhaps it only works once? Though I don’t know if that has any medical backing for it at all, but it could be neat poetically.
Uuuuu! So Anders would map on to this other god, and Lee would be the immortal one who never ages? Interesting 
She’s with the Cavels. Her realization/transition that she was a Cylon was harder than the Tighlons – they were going to box her if you remember. It will be very interesting to see what she does when she finds out her old love, Galen Tyrol, is a Cylon, too. Could be enough to make her betray the 1’s.
Oh Ebonheart, thank you for saving the me the time and trouble. I heartily agree.
(And, I can do the quote thing now! I’m so gifted.)
Just finished listening to the podcast - just terrific yet again.
Wow, and Kate Vernon! She was great, you guys are awesome!!
Sometimes I strongly disagree with the crew, but I always appreciate the discussions. I love you guys, thank you for so many hours of fun, stimulation and intelligence.
Oh and I love the 2.5 hr podcasts. The longer the better. Great stuff.
All Hail the Great Alliance, oops,
I mean All Hail the GWC Crew.
Great Podcast guys. This one finally clarified how you guys felt about the Zarek/Gaeta thing for me. I was able to finally kinda agree with you on some points. Keep them going nice and long. You held me get the hours of yard work.
I’ve been a fan of the podcasts for a while … even when there wasn’t any BSG to discuss! I agree, these latest ones since the start of the final season-lette have been fantastic. And all the interviews!
I am also a fan of the length. I’ve chucked (okay, perhaps the wrong word to use on <this> forum … ) too many podcasts because they were either too short for the material, or filled in the time with useless and irrelevant conversation that was at its best trivial. On GWC, though, even the tangents are interesting.
My only complaint about the length is that, when I’m listening to GWC, I find it very hard to get any writing done! Or any reading. 
Fortunately, it’s only a couple of hours and change out of each week.
Keep up the good work, and I love the new look for the site.
Great podcast . . . btw I am also a fan of the length (I liked it when you guys were doing it twice a week during the webisodes - you guys probably didn’t like it so much though).
Last week I was itching for Gaeta to buy it, but the writers did a great job with the whole death row/last conversation with Baltar thing to make me painfully aware of just how tragic his arc was . . . He was an idealist, made terrible, tragic choices and now he is dying with (next to) nothing. None of them have homes, families, or people who really know and love them - all of that died when the cylons nuked the colonies. His statement “I hope people know who I really am” and Baltar’s answer “I know who you are Felix” just broke my heart . . . literally the ONLY thing that Gaeta died with was the knowledge that ONE PERSON, at least, could still see the good in him. Its ironic that a morally ambiguous character like Baltar is someone who is able to see the complexities in people - In truth, he owed it to Gaeta to be there for him, because his moral failings helped propel Gaeta down this path - and he knows it.
On an unrelated note - Tori SUCKS SO BAD! I mean, I don’t get it - the writers have gone to great lengths to show Tyrol, Tigh and Anders complex feelings upon finding out their cylons - I find it so hard to believe that after the resistance, new caprica, etc. she harbors NO feelings for Roslin and everyone else she left behind when she went over to the basestar and is urging the other cylongs to abandon them - sad.
My only other observation (unrelated to this episode) is that isn’t it interesting how the Cylon civil war split the emotional love-oriented cylons away from other others - who don’t seem particularly interested in love or human relationships.
Great Podcast as always…
One thing I was thinking with next week with Ellen coming back what if its a flash back in the tube and she was reborn on a ship that is hidden near earth and she was the one who cloned or whatever starbuck is and out her crashed ship on earth etc? I know its a little out there but I could see them doing something like this?
I’m with you too. I mean, good grief, no one’s perfect.
Laura, for one, has got a controlling streak, a lot of confidence in her ability to know what to do, and a ton of personal ambition. But that’s true of all politicians and isn’t necessarily bad. In fact I’d say that they’re necessary to keep from being pushed out of the way by some more ambitious and less scrupulous politician like, I don’t know, Tom Zarek.
What really sets her apart from Zarek is that her ambition is not simply to lead, but to lead well. And that she has the self awareness to make a change now that it is obvious change is necessary.
Well, even if they did take them out (which, thinking of the chaos and the short lifespan of the mutiny, I bet they wouldn’t’ve had time for) they could probably just put them in again.
Even if they could do all of that though, it still seems tremendously unlikely that they’d find a good planet in time, since they’d be leaving Galactica just sitting there slowly breaking down, unable to find supplies (like water and algae and fuel, which I can only assume is what powers the ship) unless the fleet went out and brought them back, which would be awkward. If I were on the fleet and the Galactica was obviously breaking down, I’d be in favour of leaving it in orbit of Earth/Earf as some sort of memorial, maybe even to benefit those of the next cycle and give them some answers (which apparently no one was kind enough or had the will to do last time around, or at least whomever did it had them deliberately cryptic…hey, that’s a question, who actually left the guideposts starting with the room on Kobol, and why? At this point I guess we’re assuming the Final Five were involved somehow, but I wonder…).
But also I doubt they’d do any of that for the same reason they won’t go back to Kobol: it’s just not that interesting in a dramatic sense, eh? Or at least, not nearly as interesting as other developments could be. Whether it makes the most sense to abandon the Galactica and head back to Kobol, or to drag the Galactica along as long as possible (and there are definitely arguments for that), it doesn’t make that much sense from the perspective of telling and wrapping up the story. I’m quite sure, even just going from the vague technically-not-spoilers-I-guess for next episode as show by the U.S. and Canadian trailers, that even by the end of next episode all our conjectures will be moot, since the entire context within which we’re asking the question of “where to go next?” will undoubtably change.
Even though I’m convinced that at nearly every point if I had been a member of the Quorum in the Fleet the only reason I wouldn’t have been loudly demanding a return to Kobol would have been the fear of the Cylons finding us again, well, as a viewer I’m definitely not claiming that that’s the way the show should be heading. But neither is settling down on some random planet again.
P.S. Watching the last scene with Baltar and Gaeta, I really remembered why they were my favourite characters.
I’m thinking that the 13th tribe of Cylon(z) did leave a signpost with a warning for the current cycle…the beacon with the 2000 year old bug. They had no way of knowing that the humans would become immune to it. But when the Cylon(z) found it they found death. When they found Erf…they found death again. Could have been a warning to stop looking for the 13th tribe.