GWC Podcast #106

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#121

Hey don’t leave me hanging… :wink:

I was also thinking about Sean and Chuck’s comment on Yoda being so poor at interpreting prophesy, but it is kind of established seeing the future is a pretty difficult thing to do even for the most powerful Jedi. Given that I do think it was wise (although ultimately not correct) for Yoda to resist training Anakin. While the rest of the counsel appeared to have been sold on the simplistic notion that Anakin was the chosen one to bring balance to the force, Yoda had the foresight to see that would fall to the Dark Side. What Yoda couldn’t have foreseen is that it was necessary for Anakin to fall to ultimately defeat the Sith and that doing so would also require the love and compassion of the future son of this 9 year old boy. I don’t think I’ll fault Yoda for failing to figure that all out in Ep 1.

#122

I will actually start listening to the podcast now that I have net access at home.

Been here a few months and have never actually heard a full podcast only bits I’ve managed at friends houses…

#123

I think a Sith got him.

#124

Wow, simply wow. For people that claim not to know a lot about Star Wars your insights are marvelous!

Audra, don’t ever let anyone talk bad to you about not knowing a lot about SW. I’m assuming you haven’t read every single book/comic/article that’s come out on the matter but I think your questions were very good and they actually helped me (a person who has read it all) think about the movie in a different light. I’ve been immersed in SW for 31 years now (since it came out in '76) and I claim to know lots of it’s lore but I tend to forget that not everyone has been engrossed in it for their whole life. You asked the right questions at the right times and it made a lot of sense to me. So pat on the back & gold star for you!

Chuck & Sean, I also thank you for your insights into TPM. I forget how indepth Palpatine’s planning of the whole “game” really was and you two summed it up very nicely. You guys also made me remember that not everyone is as engrossed in SW as I am so what you said made me look at the movie in a different light. I never hated on the prequels because c’mon…it’s freaking Star Wars for gods’ sake! But you’ve given me a wonderful new outlook on the thoughts behind the movie.

So YAY!!! I’m really looking forward to the next movie’s podcast. Thank you GWC!!!

#125

I agree.
As The Green Dude says, “Always in motion is the future.”.

Prophecy is always murky territory. Just look at the BSG Prophecy. At the start of Season 4 there were many interpretations. Now that the half season is over I have noticed that at least two prophecy lines could fit the current season. The line about enemies joining could mean Tigh and Caprica and the Line about a conflict on a world not their own could be about what’s going to happen on Earth.

Back to star wars. I think Yoda was right to trust his first impulse. When the Sith showed their teeth for the first time in generations Yoda and Mace started to panic and gave into fear. They pinned all their hopes in Anakin and hoped the prophecy would work out. Ultimately their fear came back to bite them in the ass. It’s kind of ironic because Yoda and Obi-Wan ended doing the same with Luke, except this time it was out of desperation.

#126

I only know ST from the movies, so I’d appreciate any input from those who know the EU better. Is there any comment of the Jedi’s being at fault for letting Darth Sidious becoming a Sith Lord in the first place. Especially with reference to Count Duku (I forget his Jedi identity at the moment) who I think initiated the clone army in first place (I may be wrong here)?

Why I ask is it seems that the Jedi order and Republic were pretty much destroyed the moment they placed Darth Sidious (in the form of Palpatine) in the position as Chancellor (they just didn’t realize it yet). He had control at that point of the Dark Side and the Republic’s clone army. It seems that in actuality Anakin played a relatively minor role in the formation of the Empire. That said I don’t think some of the errors in the way the Jedi’s handled his training actually mattered that much. What’s more important was that he eventually did become Sidious’s apprentice which put him in the position to eventually destroy him.

#127

The way they structured the scene between Palpatine, Windu and Anakin I believe George wanted us to make a direct correlation between the choices of the Jedi made regarding Anakin’s training and Anakin’s ultimate choice.

If Anakin hadn’t gotten in the way, Palpatine dead, Windu rocks on and all is good.

#128

Well it’s about damn time - :smiley:

#129

I think you mean Sith identity which is Darth Tyranus.As far as the creation of the clone army goes…
(Wookiepedia)

The creation of a clone army was secretly ordered by Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas without the knowledge or approval of his comrades, in response to the growing shadow in the Force, though his army would soon be discovered by Darth Sidious who plotted to use the clone army and its emergency codes for his own plans.

#130

i always thought that Palpatine was just putting on a show to force Anakin make his choice. He could lightninged Windu at anytime he wanted.

#131

I’ll tell you what Phil. I’ll try to write up a fast and lose history of the Sith. I just need to refresh my memory with the The New Essential Chronology.

As for the deeper meanings and intention of the whole Clone Army arc in EP.2 check out the article I posted in the the EP.2 frak party thread in the SW section.

The way they structured the scene between Palpatine, Windu and Anakin I believe George wanted us to make a direct correlation between the choices of the Jedi made regarding Anakin’s training and Anakin’s ultimate choice.

If Anakin hadn’t gotten in the way, Palpatine dead, Windu rocks on and all is good.

That’s what I take away from the scene as well. One of my favorites BTW. I think that Mace was right there for the kill and when Anakin sides with Palpatine the Emperor is able to draw on Anakin’s power with the force to pawn Mace.

#132

For Chuck, Audra, and Sean, here is an image to keep in mind when you watch AOTC this weekend: Count Dooku as The Wicked Witch (inspired by the Frack Party).

#133

LMAO Great call back to the frak party Lucky.

#134

EU experts out there, I know there are probably a dozen different answers to this question, but how involved was Lucas in plotting the EU, or at least planting seeds to ideas?

Wookiepedia is so awesome, I’m actually scared of falling into it, never to return.

#135

I think Anakin was set up to loose both ways he chose. Let Palpatine be killed and not brought to court therefore not following the Jedi way or to chose to harm a Jedi thinking that would end the fight. The least of two evils. When Palpatine shows he really is not that week and kills Windu Anakin feels guilt again. Guilt and loss seem to take Anakin down. He tries to be selfless and ends up being forced into a no win scenario.

You know one of the Yoda sayings. :smiley:

Spike is showing all of the Star Wars movies just for this podcast (there air times are all off). The History International has a history program on SW. How nice of them. Did anyone plan this or is SW on so much it just happened?

#136

I read the novel and pretty much exhausted all explanations on this. Why did Anakin turn? It no make sense. The best I could come up with is: he a messed up kid. Between the Jedi, Palpy, Padme, and Shmi, Anakin was one screwed up individual. It was just a matter of time. When he finally did crack, the dark side swooped in and enveloped him. He was now an agent of evil and possessed. It was once believed that the mentally ill were possessed by demons. If a way, that is true. When you lose control of your mind, you’re no longer the one driving. I think that’s what happened to Anakin. He knew something was not right but no one really helped him. Obi-wan was overbearing and really ignorant of the dark side tempting his padawan. I don’t think Anakin so much gave in to the dark than his weak and shattered personality crumbled under the power of it.

#137

He has a pretty strong hand actually. Ultimately he was the final approval on anything EU, book, comics, games etc. If he doesn’t want an author to touch on something he makes them do rewrites. He also gives some general guide lines on where he’d like certain projects to go. In some cases he even brings his ideas as a starting point for a story. The Force Unleashed multi media event is all his idea and he is very involved with directing that campaign as well as the new Clone Wars movie and TV series coming out.

#138

Maybe it’s coordinated with the release of the Clone Wars movie?

#139

Jedi, Palpy, Padme, and Shmi? Why does that sound like some sort of punk rock band?

#140

Well, Sean, Chuck & Audra did it - my 13 yo Star Wars fan son just listed to the podcast and he’s pretty much hooked. Now he can’t wait to watch AOTC and listen to the next podcast.