GWC Podcast #102

I agree i saw it coming from the first 2 min of the ep. Romo should’ve too.

More Romo…good

Sucky Plot Romo…baaaad

FUNNY FUNNY SHIZZLE

Hey, everybody! I found that guy! :smiley:

I thought Enterprise was pretty good. The only ST I didn’t like was DS9 because they never really went anywhere. The same station week after week just got boring.

Wolfshawk.

No you’re not alone!

Not the most popular opinion around here, but I’ll third the motion. Its not up there with the OS, TNG and DS9, but it was solid and definitely getting better when it was cancelled…

Yeah, I’ve got no problem with Enterprise. It had flaws to be sure. But I certainly watched it just as religously as the other Treks. And I’ll even say this (and I know this will draw fire) I’d even say that in some ways I enjoyed it more than DS9 (even if DS9 was better done than Ent.) The reason is that I like the core original premise that inspired Gene Rodenberry to create Star Trek (based on C.S. Forester’s Horatio Hornblower series): the idea of a ship off on it’s own exploring, where the captain has to make critical decisons because he is so far out “at sea”.

A show centered on a space station just didn’t do it for me.

Yup, and I was excited about it because of that. It was around the point where being a hardcore TOS fan became a liability rather than an asset (about the end of season one) that I lost interest.

A show centered on a space station just didn’t do it for me.

To boldy go where everyone has been before.

Suddenly the Enterprise love comes out…where was everyone a few months ago? Captain Archer was good, Trip kicked arse.

I’m a hardcore TOS fan too—if they had kept it full of things to please TOS fans—I would have been much happier.
The whole …frak, now I can’t even remember their names… that season where they spent the whole time fighting against those meany aliens—the ones that 9/11-ed Florida. That season was pretty unbearable.

Well said.

  1. Explain Head Six.

Isn’t that what Tigh did?

Nice. And Anders, when he hooked up with Starbuck.

that’s what happens when Berman & Braga try to be socially relevant.

and the finale, well, that was just offensive

OMG I almost spewed my Coke into the monitor laughing at that. :eek: Good one!

I’ve heard that a bunch, but I don’t get it. I’ve even seen it. (Of course, I hadn’t seen the previous couple years of ENT at that point, so I may be missing something.)

Yeah, they totally phoned that finale in. And a Rikker flashback? What were they thinking?

It’s just a matter of natural selection. We New Englanders have to have a good sense of humor built in, or we’d never survive the winters—like the last one.

Okay, I rewatched Sine Qua Non last night (while not drinking to allow myself to pay better attention) and have a better feel for the Lee-Romo confrontation and its higher significance. The big moment came when Lee said that he has made the choice to believe in… for the lack of better words… the better angels of humanities nature. This hasn’t always been the case in the series. Apollo started out the idealist believing in the higher worth of Colonial civilization and ability of people to do the correct and honorable thing and he became nearly suicidal when it became apparent that this was not the case (i.e., Laura authorizing the assassination of Cain).

[As an aside it just dawned on my why the Laura-Cain thing affected Lee so badly. Lee has always felt guilt over the downing of the Olympic Carrier, but I think he was able to justify it to himself that if the leaders and society at large continued to act honorably then some major losses were justifiable. However, now that in his view the leaders and society was not living up to his ideals he was left to question for what reason he potentially murdered over 1000 people.]

Anyway, when he recovered his senses a bit, he managed to muddle through by focussing on a more practical matters dictated by military command. Slowly, however, he began to regain his idealism and his tolerance for the strictures of military life. This first manifested itself in a belief in the “system” where he was willing to fight for Baltar’s right to a fair trial. His testimony however demonstrated that while he believed in an ideal system, he had yet to regain his faith in his fellow humans. Remember he was just calling the remaining Colonials a “gang” that had made many mistakes. I think Romo knew that Lee could only be an effective president (he is not going to be a manipulator like Zarek) if he had regained his idealism in its entirety, not only in the rule of law but also in humanity at large. I also think at that time that Romo had to hear that for his own therapy. I suspect there may be some John Nash (A Beautiful Mind) in Romo in that he has some serious mental disorders, but is genius enough to consciously or subconsciously know what he needs to do to manage them. Therefore, the confrontation allowed Lee to see for himself that he had regained his prior idealism, and the resulting speech enabled Romo to get his own head out of his ass (so to speak, sorry Barb)…