Would you Mutiny?

Just thought I wanted to throw this out there. But as I was thinking about if I was to be on the Battlestar, if I would side with the mutineers or still be loyal to Adama.

Please keep in mind that you would not be privy to the behind the door talk that Adama and Roslin have been having regarding the Cylon. So you would be in pretty much the same boat as Racetrack, Seelix, and Gaeta.

Knowing myself I would probably mutiny knowing that pretty much everyone I know and love has died back on Caprica, the experience I would have probably have on New Caprica, just always remembering that the Cylon have been enemies, and Erf just being a frakkin mess. On top of that, to hear that Cylon’s would be able to go anywhere on the ship, would probably tip me over the edge. These are my thoughts for now.

I go with loyal to Adama. Just because sideing with the winner kieeps you alive. I don’t think it’s morally right… or legaly right… but that’s the side to be on.
Besidies…He’s the star of the show…it’s not the Geata,Tom Zarek, Selix and Racetrack show!

Loyal to Adama until the end. Nothing ever ends will for mutineers. :slight_smile:

Well, knowing that the show’s main characters aren’t going to lose, I’d have to be on Adama’s side or face failure. :wink: But if I didn’t know I was in a TV show, I’d be avoiding both sides at this point and let them work it out. Were the mutiny run by another leader, or the fleet for that matter, though, I’d be able to choose a side.

I have a problem with authority when i don’t respect the leader. I do respect Adama. It’s in my personality that if i make a pledge to someone or something i will be loyal to that cause to a fault.

Except for living in an island paradise with beautiful Tahitian women. :slight_smile:

I’d pick Adama.

I’d really have trouble trusting the Cylons - we still don’t know if they can choose and live as free beings or if they are programmed and are setting a trap. They also committed genocide on the human race that’s a lot to forgive or forget.

Even with this view of the cylons, I wouldn’t want Gata and Zarak in charge. Sure you avert adding cylons to the fleet, but how are they going to handle other things that come up. Adama would be able to push forward with a new plan to find a new livable star system, work on moral, and deal with big issues. I don’t see medium or long-term stability with Gata and Zarak.

I’m voting Baltar as that seems the best shot at survival.

It’s not that I don’t think Gaeta is necessarily wrong, or people have no right for a rebellion for the right of self-determination. My problem is that:

  1. There’s a time or place for rebellion. Screaming and whining for your right to democratically elected government is fine, AFTER your species’ survival has been assured. If Cavil show up tomorrow, you’re all gonna be dead in 5 minutes without Galactica. Like it or not, you have NO right to self-determination and democracy, when the barbarians are at the door. Adama is a unelected dictator who’s strong-arming everyone to his will, without asking their opinion. He’s also your only chance of NOT DYING! There will come a day when Adama will have to account for his actions during his career. But that day is NOT today. Today, you obey him and wait for your enemy’s inevitable arrival.

  2. You have claimed to be mutineering to represent the people, whose will have been thwarted. But you also seem to be awfully callous about killing those people to make your mutiny a success. Laird posed no threat to mutiny. You had plenty of chances to restrain him or knock him out unconscious. When you callously let him die without even a whimper of a protest, the so-called legitimacy of your rebellion has also died.

I don’t know why I’m yelling in second person like Gaeta is sitting in front of me. I guess I’m still kind of pissed. Yeah, I’m still not over this.

Id be loyal to Adama.
Considering Zarek is a criminal, I would have been suspicious of him and his ideals from the first day he was put on the Quorum.

Wanna be shocked…I completely agree with you!!!

The problem with Adama is Rosalyn. It’s a co-presidency at this point and Rosalyn is a definite weakness. I agree with those who have speculated that Lee Adama will ascend to the presidency when all this shakes out. A Lee Adama/ Tom Zarek face-off seems inevitable. Lee and his father may or may not see eye to eye, but either way, Commander Adama will become somewhat marginalized (if not dead, gods forbid).

Sticking with Adama. The issue is survival. While I would probably respect Gaeta, I wouldn’t see him as a viable replacement for the command structure (Adama, Tigh, Helo) already in place. Those three have prooven their abilities to command and survive in sticky situations.

There aren’t many good choices to be made, but it has to bother the remnants of a once-great civilization that their leadership seems to be retreating after their goal was an exercise in futility. The only decision that they seem fit to hand down is that their mortal enemies have a few nice folk who have better technology, and for some people this is going to be nigh-impossible to swallow. Not to mention that you find out the entire fleet was run by one of the Cylons for a time, a Viper pilot and the main mechanic were Cylons, you don’t know if your ace pilot is human, and I’m sure the memory of Boomer refuses to fade as well. I’m sure this is well-worn territory on thsi forum, but it’s easy to have more faith in the Cylons watching the show than it would be if you lived in that situation. I know I can’t imagine a war that raged for years to eventually be followed by massive multi-world genocide, a harrowing chase through the galaxy, violent and oppressive occupation, betrayal, and endless pain and suffering.

Still, I know that like my favorite teachers, Adama is the kind of leader I would trust and follow to the ends of the earth (or galaxy), and I oculd never mutiny against him. I get why people are joining the cause, but it sometimes feels more like old hate and misplaced frustration, and the impact such a mutiny could have could easily destroy the last remnants of humanity.

If I were in this situation, and let’s just say that my job is Executive Assistant to the Libran delegate to the Quoru, I wouldn’t be on either side. On the one hand, I believe that democracy can’t be as unfettered in times of great peril, and I believe that this justifies much of Roslin’s unilateral leadership. The problem, however, is that she has done this in an underhanded way. That type of limited authoritarianism can only work without undermining democracy if the leader(s) are up front about how they plan to lead, if they lay out the circumstances under which they will liberalize or cede power from the beginning, and if they also make decisions with the ultimate aim of not only preserving the species but also of preserving the democratic vision of government in less crisis-addled times. With all that in mind, I feel strongly that Adama and Roslin need to cede power NOW. If I were really the Libran Rep’s assistant, I would likely have come to that point of view after the stand off on the algae planet.

Despite all this, revolt is not enough. I could never support Zarek. I don’t trust him- he’s too manipulative and self-mythologizing to lead the fleet wisely. I would probably be organizing around Lee, because I think he is the best potential key to solving the leadership problems, if he is convinced of how great the need truly is. Besides his own credentials, I think he could actually influence his father and Roslin. If he spoke candidly to them about the effects of their actions on the fleet, I believe they would hear it (if not act on it immediately). I have a plan that I’ll post for how I think he could get it done.

Given the situation as it is, I would be pro-alliance with the Cylon and I would back Adama and Roslin regaining control, but I would not stop working against them once they got back there. Zarek is not an answer. Gaeta can’t be the kind of military leader that is absolutely necessary in a military-led mixed civilian fleet with nuclear arms and a more powerfully technologically advanced enemy whose location is unknown. Helo might be the future of that leadership, but Gaeta put him in the brig so I know that the military will just become unstable and more dangerous without Adama at the head right now.

You’re right. I’m there with ya.

I have to go with Adama, for the same reasons Mr Lister said.

If you are not a part of Adama’s inner circle, all you know of Cylons is that they infiltrated the Colonies, sabotaged the technology and committed genocide on humanity. Likely, your family and friends, they killed them all. You have been living a miserable life since. Now, Adama wants Cylons to retrofit the jump drives on all the ships. The biggest reason the fleet is around is that they had the ability to jump away from a fight. But you have to trust him that they wont sabotage. Not this time around.

If not in Adama’s inner circle, you know them as machines posing as humans. You know part of their programming can activate and make them turn on you, just like Boomer did when she shot Adama.

You know the last experiment in Cylon - human appeasement as New Caprica. You lived through hell there, never knowing if you or your new loved ones were going to be taken away and never return.

Now Adama wants an alliance with Cylons. His second in command is a Cylon. His most trusted engineer, a Cylon. He trusts that one of his officers, which he regards as a daughter is not a Cylon even though she came back from the dead in a brand new Viper. He’s confidant that this time around, none of them will betray his trust. You have to blindly trust him on this.

Adama refuses to recognize the authority of elected leaders when it comes to their refusal of an alliance with Cylons. The highest elected leader, the President, who you trusted was the dying leader who would bring you to Earth, well she’s still alive. She is in a relationship with Adama, and until recently all but abdicated her responsabilities. You have to blindly trust her, even though she is supposed to be dead by now and she sleeps with Adama.

Now, I love the show. Off course I’m siding with Adama and the gang. I enjoy the Cylon - Human alliance angle. It’s a good story.

But in real life, considering that cultures typically go through generations and generations holding grudges and killing each other before calmer heads prevail, if ever, that most humans are wired to distrust and fear people who are different, I find it impossible that an Alliance with the Cylons would be acceptable by even the tiniest percentage of people in the fleet. In real life, the people of the fleet not only would not follow blindly Adama, they would want his head on a spike for even suggesting an alliance. Regardless of what he did for them in the past. They would think he is insane.

Yes, I’m siding with Adama and the gang because as a viewer I’m priviledge to what he knows and more and because I’m attached to those people.

I also absolutely understand that a lot of people want him out of power, even through bloodshed. If I were just some dude on a civy ship or a low ranking soldier, I would be sympathetic to the mutiny, I might even take part in it. Not big on blind faith in military and political leaders when their actions defy logic and common sense. This kind of faith, historically, usually results in disaster.

i gotta say, after revelations aired, i was devastated. however, i had 7 months to cool my heels off. however the characters in the show had a few days. the raw emotion from learning erf was nuked is still fresh in the hearts and minds.
i was forced to choose baltar. truth is so far the only ones loyal to adama are the shows title characters, and they’re so much cooler than me that i know i wouldnt fit in. however it does seem that so many people who were so loyal to adama, and loved “the old man” turned on him really quickly. i really don’t know what i would have done faced with a decision a few days after i learned what erf was. every man for themselves…? sounds too scary.

He’s gotten them so far and through so much. He saved them from the Cylons many times and rescued them from New Caprica. Sorry, but Adama is a hero and if you have to take a bit on faith that he’s going to save your butt then he has certainly earned it.

Zarek and Gaeta are just a buncha bitch-ass whiners who want revenge on the system because they got the short end of the stick. I liken Zarek to Timothy McVey and other dipsticks. The only difference is that Zarek is smart and charismatic and McVey was a ridiculous little racist with the emotional maturity of a 12 year old. Zarek exists only because racism has dissipated in his universe and the only available bigotry and disparity is about what colony you come from.

I would say that I would fall on the side of Mutiny, but not in the way they are doing it. There is a right and wrong way to revolt, and this is the wrong way.

Example, there was no reason to have to kill the deck chief. They just could have tied him up and locked him in the store room.

They are taking the ship without honor. I am not sure how to do it with honor, but this is not the way to do it.