Overpowered and overgunned being my mantra as well, I’ll take the USS Defiant. Perhaps it’s not a true “STAR ship” (more of a WAR ship), but any ship that is so powerful that it could easily rip itself apart is a very special ship indeed.
In regards to the whole Enterprise-Class conversation, a big part of the confusion comes from Khan. The simulator Saavik walks out of is labeled ‘Enterprise-Class Bridge’. Is that the model name for the simulator? Or is the simulator reproducing the bridge of an actual ship class named ‘Enterprise’?
CONFUSION!
So, in other news, I’m still a huge nerd.
i know next to nearly squat about the Valdore class romulan vessel… but look how pretty!
That’s from the Joseph prints/manual. (I lost a bet to The GF on that one. Why would they put it in Engineering?)
Insert your own retcon, but it was really some of the production staff harboring the belief that the Enterprise was Enterprise Class (although a lot of them knew better, given that they used graphics from the Joseph manual for some of the screen displays.)
It could be argued (I am not making this argument myself merely recognizing that it’s a reasonable one) that the appearance of ‘Enterprise Class’ on screen in TWOK is beatific if not full canonization. Does ‘Constitution Class’ appear anywhere else afterwards? Relics had prints that said ‘Constitution’, but that was the “no bloody A, no bloody B, no no bloody C, no bloody D” version.
My personal take is that Enterprise was the first Constitution class ship to undergo the ‘Phase II’ refit (as seen in the movies,) and that for a while the upgraded ships were informally called ‘Enterprise class’ to distinguish them from their un-refitted sisters.
It’s ok, I actually came up with a really well researched and documented explanation for the whole thing in my latest Star Trek fanfiction. It’s slash, but there’s about 20 pages devoted to Federation politics that ties this up nicely, I think.
I’m right there with ya! I love the Romulan Star Empire and their ships. The D’Deridex is a beast of a vessel.
the fact that they have a micro-singularity powering the ship is just awesome.
In Mr. Scott’s Guide to the Enterprise, it mentions that of the 13 Constitution class vessels launched, the Enterprise was the only one to return. All others were lost or destroyed. The Enterprise became a symbol to Starfleet and the Federation. When it was refit, it was still considered a Constitution class / refit. It wasn’t until they started making more from the refit design that the Enterprise class was born. 1701-A was Enterprise class.
Damn tootin’ the bowling alley is cannon.
After a tiresome day of neck pinching and dive rolling, how else could Kirk and Spock relax without a little candlepin bowling?
Deck 21, same deck at food and beverage creation and lower part of the swimming pool.
Yeah, I’m good with that.
And that too.
I almays felt that having bowling balls/pins and large bodies of water aboard a ship that might have sudden accelerations and or stopping was a very bad idea… IYKWIM:rolleyes:
Kirk: (thumbs intercom) Kirk to Engineering.
Scotty: Engineering. Scott here.
Kirk: Scotty, I have an Ensign Omra here on the bridge. He just made an observation that, well, has a lot of logic. Scotty, do me a favor and double the back-up gravity generator circuitry on decks 20 and 21, would you please?
Scotty: Aye, Captain. I’m on it.
Kirk: Thank you. Kirk out. Uhura, open a channel to Starfleet command. I wish to advise them of a field promotion I’m about to make (Kirk smiles at Ens. Omra.)
Yeah. If you get to the point where you have to worry about the bowling alley, you’re probably past the point where you can worry.
Why on Engineering? It doesn’t make sense!
On the Klingon ships they had firing ranges, that made a Hell of a lot more sense. And very appropriate for a warrior race.
On the refit since the original cast was getting rather… elderly. I suppose the bowling alley should have been replaced with shuffleboard.
It’s not like bowling is the most strenuous of sports.
(I so want to make an Enterprise bowling shirt. I’ve even got a design somewhere.)
Mr Scotts guide is crap! Bought it new in the 6th grade ( right after ST4 came out) Scottty is CLEARLY looking at the plans in ST 6 that tell you that the ship is a Constitution class ship! There is no Reliant class, or L-24 battleship, or Romulan Nova ( my favorite)
Next thing you’ll be telling me that there were Human/Klingon fusions living on the Klingon homeworld of Klinzhai!
( I will never forgive TNG for destroying those guys)
Mr. Scott’s Guide is riddled with errors, the most noteable ones I remember were with propulsion. It stated that the warp feild generators produced a ‘dent’ in space in which the laws of space were warped and that the IMPULSE ENGINES pushed the ship along within the ‘dent’ at higher speeds than would normally be allowed. WHAT??
The second one was that the Transwarp Drive did not actually make a ship faster, it altered TIME.
Yeah, that was actually how it was supposed to work from day one. The warp engines produced the warp (duh) but the conventional (i.e., impulse) engines actually moved the ship across the warped space.
Writers and/or Story Editors kept losing track of how that was supposed to work.
Truthfully… Star Trek Canon has always been “newest… is the more correct”.
Also… back in the day when we belived there would NEVER be a Star Trek tv show and we were thanful for every movie, there were oddles and doodles of books, tech manuals, fasa stuff, novels and what not.
The problem was TNG writers just didn’t want to abide by any of it. Which is wild… becuase they actually had a series bible for those mid 80’s novels. Tell the truth… every time TNG counterd what you used to believe… you were let down.
It would have been really easy for the new writers to keep that in mind… but that do you expect? They couldn’t remember when they introduced DAX as a trill that had been serving the Federation for the hundred years that trills had been in the federation… that the former HEAD of Starfleet medical (Crusher) , the year before met a trill and didn’t even know that they had, or could have the symbiotes. The Symbiote was a big reveal! … stupid writers!