Watchmen (Movie)

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#41

Mr Lister Sir,

I understand that you believe the new ending to better than the original. Now I understand that film is a different format to comic books, and that sometimes what works in one medium doesn’t work in another, however you have made yourself appear to think that Zak Snyder is better than Alan Moore and for that offence you must die.

You have 24 hours to recant your statement before I release your IP address to the hordes of insanely loyal Alan Moore fanboys who will hunt you down and feed you to dogs.

Yours respectfully,

Mymatedave
Acolyte of the cult of Glycon the Snake God

#42

Don’t worry Lister, it’s a bluff. The true Moore disciples will summone a lower demon to track you down.

Your IP address will be safe, however.

#43

No. We are watching. Lister will die. Slowly.

#44

I didn’t really think of that while I was watching it, but it makes sense why it was left out. His role was reduced so much that it wouldn’t really have had the impact that it does in the book. I was bit more put off by the simplification of Rorschach’s dealings with Dr. Long and the lack of development of background characters (although, obviously, they were necessarily trimmed for time) and the tendency toward a bloodier resolution to many key scenes of violence, such as:

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[li]using the cleaver to dispatch the child killer, instead of the hacksaw bit
[/li][li]cutting off the thug’s hands instead of slitting his throat
[/li][li]the generally increased goriness of Manhattan’s use of his power against humans
[/li][/ul][/spoiler]

And the changed ending does progress logically from the events of the story and accomplishes the same effect, but it still feels somewhat… off to me.

[spoiler]If there was no genetically mutated giant squid, Bubastis seems out of place, IMO. And again, a bloodier resolution: 3 million dropping dead from psychic shock is replaced with 15 million being brutally vaporized.[/spoiler]

Still, I enjoyed it greatly. In fact, I’m going to see it again in IMAX tomorrow! :smiley:

#45

Not from me. :eek:

muhahahahahaha :smiley:

#46

Bring it homies…Ill sick my Fables pals on the League of Ex Gents…I’ll Summon my Hellboy friend to back me up…And ill hire Marv to be my Henchmen!!

Edit…and I’ll call up J. Phoenix to be slightly crazier and just as wackily bearded as A. Moore

See…this will happen to any lower demon who comes after my IP

Only it wont be a sexy Librarian It will be me…and it won’t be bare foot I will wear boots. I will however be just as pantsless!!! (If not more so.):eek::eek:

#47

For the record, I agree with Mr. Lister. I find the new ending far superior to the genetically mutated psychic alien squid (seriously…the more I read and write that phrase the more it becomes ridiculous).

The more I think about it the GMPAS is the only real tie the original story had with the time period from which it was created. This was written in the mid-80s. The period the story is set in is an alternate version of what was then current day. The purpose of the story was to take the comic superhero narrative in a new direction, but they were still constrained by their genre. How do you scare the bejesus out of a mid-80s audience? An alien invasion to bring the world together.

However, in a post 9/11 world this would ring somewhat hollow…or at least, why introduce an alien element when we have so much to fear in ourselves? Bombing every major city scares me to the core, more than a GMPAS. If the purpose of experiencing the story is to leave somewhat different, mission accomplished. I feel it was a master stroke to then indict Dr. Manhattan of the crime, bringing focus to the world’s anger and giving him real reason to leave.

#48

I know the revolution will be pantsless…but geez!:eek:

#49

Are you at work? No? Kids in bed? OK, then…

Behold the GBGC!

#50

Funny I was listening to a podcast and they talked about Doctor Manhattan’s … for like 20 minutes. It’s revolutionary but I hope not too many directors follow the thread.

Well he clearly define the pantless revolution. Even a little too much.

#51

Maybe it was generational but I loved the music.

#52

I tried to lead the revolution today by going pantless for an entire day. Alas, I don’t think the world is ready for the revolution; someone called me a pervert…

On a serious note, I would love to see this movie and Wolverine, but between student teaching, work, and school, I probably will have to wait for DVD.:frowning:

#53

I dunno. I am that generation, and I found the choices distracting.

#54

The only one that really took me out of the show was 99 red balloons

#55

But it was one of the biggest hit of that time.

They could have gone soundtrack orchestra only, but I’m glad they didn’t I really love the 80’ music. But its a personal taste. So every opinion is valid.

#56

The one that did it for me was Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen - for one thing I had never actually heard the original version before and for another - it was just about the worst possible song choice for that scene - it played like a scene from a porno…which is possibly what they were going for but it totally took me out of the film - which I otherwise thought was wonderful.

#57

Those are the two that I rolled my eyes at. Luftballoons didn’t fit the scene at all, while Hallelujah fit it too well. The only thing worse would be to break out the Bow-chicka-bow-wow.

#58

Life I’ve said I feel that the use of the 80s music at the beginning helped set the time very effectively. As the movie progressed I think they slipped into overuse at times with the worst example being 99 Luftballons. Although I agree with Pike that Hallelujah fit too well I agree with a reviewer out there who said, “Can put a moratorium on using Hallelujah in movies? Please?”

#59

Ok, I love this movie.
The whole base must have been there. the theatre was at max cap. most of the high school kids on base were there too. one of the guys I went with son was there with all his friends. it was a little wierd see so many people there at the movies on base, normally you have about 50 military guys and a few wives. I sure hope everyone else gets to see it and we get a Podcast on it.

#60

I went and watched the movie again ( this time for free and in IMAX) thanks to my kid who used to work at the theater. After seeing it again I was able to key on some subtle things in the movie that I missed the first time. I’m sure there are a lot more but here are some of little “easter eggs” type things I noticed.

-In the opening credits, There are “Gotham City Opera” posters in the background when the original ‘Nite Owl’ is punching the a robber. Also shown in the scene is a man and women leaving the opera. In case you forgot, Batman’s Parents were killed in a robbery after leaving an Opera performance. So NiteOwl saved Bruce Wayne’s parents, so no more Batman :slight_smile: (Both Watchmen and Batman are from DC comics)

-When the comedian shoots JFK, you see a puff of smoke rising over the fence, coming from his cigar. Witnesses have claimed to see smoke coming over the fence on the grassy knoll, theoretically from the gunshot.

-At the beginning when The Comedian throws his coffee cup at the door and it hits the numbers. The 1 is broken off and it reads “300”.

-The flag on the wall during the riot scene has 51 stars on it indicating Vietnam became the 51st state.

-When comedian gets thrown out the window you can see a smiley face in the moon.

  • “The Good luck Mr.Gorsky,” from Neil Armostrong when Dr.M is taking his picture in the opening credits.

When he was a kid, Neil Armstrong was playing baseball with a friend in the backyard. His friend hit a fly ball which landed in the front of his neighbor’s bedroom windows. His neighbors were Mr. & Mrs. Gorsky.

As he leaned down to pick up the ball, young Armstrong heard Mrs. Gorsky shouting at Mr. Gorsky, "Oral sex! You want oral sex?! You’ll get oral sex when the kid next door walks on the moon.

-A Smiley face in Neil Armstrong’s visor. Dr. M’s shadow forms the mouth.

-The hippie who puts the flower in the gun barrel has a smiley face painted on her cheek.

-There are two stones and a samurai sword in The Comedian’s apartment which form a smiley face.