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#121

And I’ve finished it. The end was anti-climactic - I liked the borg stuff and the time travel and the whole screw-the-temporal-prime-directive, but to end with them not even landing on Earth and seeing their loved ones? Not cool. I wanted to see that! And we don’t even know little Paris’s name. Grrr.

I did really like the series though. DS9 is still my favorite, but there’s lots of good stuff in Voyager. There were a lot of nice moments in this last season, though there were some that I was just like, wtf? Doctor, stealing the warp core? Wtf, dude? I really enjoyed the 2-parter “Workforce,” I thought it was well done though I wish there had been more on the actual worker situation in terms of the crazy psych experiment guy. Seven of Nine is fabulous, though her thing with Chakotay caught me off guard and still doesn’t make sense. Tuvok is still one of my favorites :slight_smile:

And to anyone reading this who hasn’t seen Voyager (not sure who that is, but you never know): watch it, it goes quickly and is quite enjoyable. I’m kind of sad I don’t have any more to watch.

#122

I really love all the characters, and the characters is what’s made it a series worth watching. But if I have to pick a favorite, it would be Tuvok as well. I watched Voyager with my ex and she also liked Tuvok the most.

Which is a bit of a shock to me that there are a lot of Tuvok bashing online. It’s too bad. I really think the character has a lot of heart even though he is encased in the Vulcaness. There are times when he is just so adorable.

Glad you enjoyed the borg stuff. I am sure that made the finale a lot more enjoyable than it was for me. I think everyone went WTF with the Sekotay or Chaven ship. It still makes no sense.

Workforce was my favorite in season 7 as well. Especially with Tom and B’elanna . Stories like that make it wonderful.

#123

I find the characters very bright and vibrant, and at the same time they fill in some archetypes which doesn’t seem to run dry as the show progresses. Mind you, I’m only on season two (I’m watching “Innocence” as I type this :)), but I find myself compelled to watch as many episodes as I can from the time I come home to the time I go to sleep.

The Doctor is quickly becoming my favourite character.

#124

Are you gonna watch ‘Enterprise’ now? hoping cuz this wuz fun

To be honest, I didn’t even care at that point. It’s amazing how your mindset and the people around you effect that. I did a rewatch a few years ago, when it was released on DVD. I saw the bad and the good. I didn’t rip it apart as much and felt it wasn’t as bad as I thot.

She was working with future Janeway and the Klingons, Ensign Miral Paris.

I did not like this or get it either. No chemistry.

Me too. I miss Trek. I really think Manny Coto and crew coulda done some really fun stuff. The fan-made stuff is alright but it mimics instead of pushing the envelope. I once said that I’m kinda sick of this “realism” dark sci-fi and I’d like some good ol’ sci-fi I can watch with my daughters.

#125

I guess that’s the problem. Lately when a scifi show wants to target teenagers or adult man, then it starts going off to a not children friendly place. Even when it isn’t really dark, it can still be not suitable for children.

And those scifi made for children for some reason feels the need to dumb down too much…

#126

I’d like to, but I’ll have to depend on Netflix for it. I probably won’t start it until after our extensive international holiday travel, what with the whole no Netflix when we aren’t in the US :frowning: but worry not, I plan to watch :slight_smile:

Miral. Hm. I don’t remember them saying that in the episode, but cool.

I do wonder if watching it in relative isolation (i.e. on DVD and just posting random thots here rather than having a community with which to converse whilst waiting week to week) helps to see the show more positively. I’ve yet to meet a Trek I don’t like - sure there are clunker episodes and character storylines that are silly, but there’s a lot more great stuff there than the chaff. IMO.

#127

Since the suggestion of a star trek time travel arc, I’ve went back and watched a few of the Voyager time travel episodes. Revisiting some of the ones that wasn’t just a reset button was really fun. Especially with Future’s End.

When I watched Future’s End the first couple of times, I don’t recall being that impressed by it. I just remembered it as a pure action and camp episode, not one of those episodes that makes you think afterwards.

But since the episode was set in 1996, and it’s now 2010, the 14 years between the tech then and the tech now, makes a really fun contrast against the 29th century v.s. 24th century tech in the episode. And that really got me thinking if we would have any advantages going back to 1996.

So now it’s an fun and camping episode with a lot of action and makes me think. It even made a permanent addition to the show, the mobile emitter. It was quiet a ride. It’s rare that a scifi episode would get more fun as time went by.

Rewatching Living Witness is as great as ever. If you never seen Warship Voyager, you really need to watch that episode :stuck_out_tongue:

#128

Actually they did manage to get home - that’s how future Janeway came back in time to the rescue with advanced tech in her tiny shuttle, [spoiler]and die a hero’s death.[/spoiler]

#129

In the Future’s End, the timeship captain Broxton from the 29th century crash landed on earth, and had his ship stolen from him. He was on earth for 30 years, and ended up living in the streets.

I remember they crew saying if we will have any advantages if we were stuck in the past. I guess Broxton’s expertise is on time travel itself… so besides doing time travel calculations, he wasn’t able to made a reasonable living for himself in 1996…

#130

Always kinda bugged me how, though she did give them the future shield and weapon tech to best the Borg and infected them with the virus, she also ultimately left that future tech in their hands. Maybe they meant to imply that the Borg were now destroyed, but I don’t buy it. They presumably adapted to the future weapons, fancy way-cool armor, and the devastating virus. I don’t think this was ever touched on, even in the recent Borg-heavy novels. But I think way too much about these things.

#131

You wouldn’t be a fan if you didn’t.

I was under the impression that we witnessed the destruction of the Borg, also. But I didn’t buy it either.

Future Janeway was on a one-way mission and doubt she fully comprehended the possible implications of her decisions. Her mission was the same throughout the series, get her crew home. Future Janeway was not interested in what her superiors, friends, or even her younger self had to say. I doubt she thot very much about future generations.

#132

that’s why i never liked the finale… or i should just say i am a voyager finale hater…

her action (both future and present self) in the finale made the past 7 seasons pointless. the only reason they get stuck in the delta quadrant in the first place was to do what was right. in order to to save an entire planet, Janeway gave up their quick way home. And she continued to do so many of times.

and then in the finale, screw all you guys, i’m going home.

#133

Well, I’ll play Q advocate here. Future Janeway did give the Federation future tech as well. Levels the playing field, so to speak.

#134

the problem is future janeway doesn’t know what the out come will be, how it would play out with the tech she gave to either side. she gambles with billions if not trillions of lives and existing history, because she just want her crew to get home earlier.

this is not the same as Harry Kim, Timeless situation, Harry did what he did because his crew never made it. Janeway’s crew already made it, she just wants to get them home sooner, because Tuvok is sick and seven died?

If she wants Voyager to get home earlier why not go back to season 1, or if she still wants to convert 7 of 9, she could have gone back to season 4 or season 5 janeway. even if they weren’t already at the tranwarp hub, she could have help modify the ship to prevent casualties against the borg.

besides, she could have given them the temporal device and a sample of chronexaline in addition to the ablative hull plating. even if the temporal devices burnt itself out, they could have years to fix it or adapt it. That way they can travel back to Earth by its ability to travel through space time.

Heck she could have traveled back to destroy the Caretaker device before Voyager was ever pulled into the delta quadrant.

but no, future janeway says screw the crew members who died before season 7 finale (which is a lot, including those who died right after being pulled into the delta quadrant), i just want Tuvok to be healthy and 7 of 9 to be alive.

To achieve that goal, future Janeway decides to screw the fate of alpha quadrant. because both future janeway and present janeway don’t care if the last 7 years was based on doing what’s right and saving lives. And who knows if Temporal Investigators from the future wouldn’t come back and correct the temporal incursion, making it all for nothing?

End Game was full of action, but that was pretty much it. I realize they need to end the show in a spectacular way. but ruining the character of janeway, which is why they were stranded in the delta quadrant in the first place, made everything that happened before seem pointless.