Well I just need put up a wall here.
I don’t hate the guy, So even if its just me. The dudes not in the wrong here. He’s doing a rough thing sure. but its not wrong. so I don’t hate him. in fact i kind of respect it.
let the flaming begin. (proceeds to put on asbestos suit.)
Sorry Boomer but Mutiny is always wrong. His fellow Mutineers have killed civilians and fellow officers. They have arrested and detained people unlawfully. If they wanted to try and arrest Adama they could have done it without doing what they have done. Gaeta is completely in the wrong.
I kind of hate Gaeta, but I really feel sorry for him more than anything else at this point. So I guess it’s not hate.
I’ll be somewhat conflicted when he dies, depending how it’s done.
But he has frakked up, in my mind.
Geata is basing his decisions on an emotional state of guilt and hate. Just like any war there has to be a peace treaty. There will always be people who would want to continue the fight no matter what the cost.
see by my looking at things it isn’t. Roslin was jogging and burning professy back in 12 and no longer functioned as the president. Thats cool i mean everyone was completely fraked. but Zarek as vice president should have taken over the civilian government, and he did this (kind of his job) passed a law that gave the ships the right to refuse the cylons to come aboard. but Adama used force to break that law. killing people in the process. Now there is treason right there the military not submitting itself to the civilian government. Now that government has to find a way to stop the milliatary from taking over completely cue Gaeta and Zarek
don’t get me wrong it hurt to see Adama like that and i’m angry with Geata. but i don’t hate him.
I would have had no problem with him arresting Adama. But to have a fullout mutiny is wrong no matter what way you swing it. Gaeta is now just as wrong if not more so than Adama. Also Roslin had not at that point been offically taken down as president there for Zareks laws were not completly legal…as i see it.
he couldn’t arrest him without taking command. If he just pulled a gun, and said your under arrest he’d be dragged away or shot.
In all real ways she completely incapacitated, and either way the quorum can still pass laws and Adama broke them.
He still could have taken the bridge without killing the Civi’s on the Battlestar. He is effectively committing a fleet wide Mutiny. He is endangering the entire fleet. The Quarm could have asked/Ordered Adama to step down if they did not like what he was doing. Gaeta is bad.
I grant you the civi’s were bad, but the mutiny is an incredibly messy thing and its bound to go wrong in places. but your right its a really bad mark against Gaeta
Adama has never listened the Quorum. I don’t see him starting now?
as for the fleet wide mutiny, chickens coming home to roost. There’s a reason the entire fleet is fighting against the current government. and its not Geata.
Love this discussion Mr. lister sir will come back to this but Boomer needs sleep; early morning tomorrow.
good night. 
I don’t hate Gaeta either. I feel pity for him and not in the pity frak sorta way. I am saddened and disappointed by his decisions.
But his decisions are the crux of a huge problem I have with the last remnants of humanity. Zarek, Baltar, the Quorum and Gaeta have all bickered on points of justice and democracy. Fighting against the tyranny of Roslin and Adama. They are trying to hold on to their humanity or what they think humanity is. They still think they are living on the colonies in a safe haven where you have the luxury of challenging the finer points of right and wrong. Very idealistic.
The truth is 5 years ago the colonies and that way of life died. They have been in survival mode but unwilling to accept it. They need to realize that only tribal law or martial law will prevail. But it may be too late. Do you think the rights and choices of the people are helped by removing the people who have saved the fleet countless times?
In the end, what does this say about us? Is this all we are? Do we feel our point/feelings/ideas are more important and justified than the next person? Is this what causes so much strife? Our own sense of self-importance? Our own set of ideals?
Adama’s question was: Are we worth surviving? But the Zarek/Gaeta/Quorum camp question is Who is right? and Who is wrong? Who is just? They sell it with the veil of choice.
I disagree. If the established authority is wrong, then mutiny is right.
I’m not saying that Adama is wrong, we just don’t know yet.
What this boils down to is if the alliance is a mistake or not, a question Lee asks even as he is defending his father.
Gaeta believes what he is doing is right. I wouldn’t join the “I love Gaeta” club, but I will join the “I don’t hate Gaeta” club.
I’m kinda with you here… I just got done posting that I’d like to see Gaeta in an airlock with Tory, but that’s just a gut reaction… it’s more accurate for me to say: I’m really disappointed in the choice Gaeta made, cause I didn’t really hate him before, and even started to respect him as an informant for the Resistance… but he’s now he’s made a decision I wouldn’t have, so now I’m forced to dislike him.
The thing that makes me saddest is that Gaeta’s decision is unforgivable; Adama will now have to do something about it… like execute him. Even if Zarek lives (I think he might… he’s like Baltar, a roach), Adama will be forced to make an example of Gaeta.
Yep… the thing is, the Mutinous Bastards do have a point… but since the beginning of the series, we’ve all sided with Roslyn and Adama, because we knew they were making the right choice, even if they had to force that choice on the Fleet… the choices they made weren’t always legal, or defensible, or even sane… but they were the right choices.
And the crazy thing is, all the other major characters have been allowed to make their crazy decisions (Roslyn following her visions, Starbuck following Erf, Adama breaking the law when it suits him)… but we were on their side, so it was ok. Zarek and Gaeta have now made their own morally questionable decision… but I can’t support it, cause I’m with the other guys! I can actually see where those two are coming from, and I don’t like that I can, cause it doesn’t make my side morally right… just different.
wow, I won’t lie that baked my noodle a little
by the perspective of a great deal of the colonials and the Geata Zarek faction. Its a live free or die trying to be free and I sympathize with that. Is it more effective to have Tyrannical rule in an emergency sitution. probably in this case of Adama. It is better to give him power. but the emergency is not likely to end so what your giving up is your entire way of life. and you loose democracy for a dictatorship. personally I could never do that. now that choice has consequences not just for the individual but others. Now what price would others pay for one persons belief. is Dependant on the importance of the belief and the price paid by others. and whether its right or wrong can only really be determined after the fact
all that being said I believe should always live your beliefs.
I really wish someone would have mutinied against Cain. Mutiny is never pretty, and mutineers inevitably have to become comfortable with a very tenuous ends-justify-the-means outlook, but I guess sometimes it may be the lesser of two evils.
Now I really want to rewatch Mutiny on the Bounty…
Yeah, that pretty well sums up my feelings better than I could do it.
Heh. Mutiny’s only wrong when you lose. 
If you win, it’s “revolution.”
That said, I don’t think Gaeta is right in what he’s doing; not as an observer. But I don’t hate him. The truth is if I was on that ship I’d be on his side with a gun in my hands.
As an observer, I can appreciate why Adama is making this alliance. But I’m given enough of the facts to do so, and it wasn’t my entire civilization that was blown up. But if I lived in this universe and lost pretty much everything I held dear, allying with the very people who took it would NOT sit well with me.
Adama is right that Gaeta is breaking his oath- there is no way I am going to deny that. But Gaeta’s right, too, about Adama breaking his. Not just on a Fleet level (because Adama, is this REALLY a good idea?), but also on a personal level. When Gaeta was nearly killed on the Demetrius, no investigation took place, because it was Adama’s special snowflake Kara. (And I know Gaeta was mutinying there, too. But Adama couldn’t even find out that.) When Gaeta’s raptor went missing, the man who nearly exhausted the fleet resources looking for Kara couldn’t even be bothered to leave a raptor at the coordinates they were supposed to jump to. The only reason a S&R raptor was launched at all was because of Hoshi. And when Adama found out that a Cylon had killed three of the humans and likely would have killed a fourth, he brushed it under the rug and essentially took the Cylons’ side. Bill should be protecting his own officer, and that’s twice now that he’s basically ignored that duty when it comes to Gaeta.
Granted, that doesn’t justify violence. And the personal aspect doesn’t justify mutiny. But Bill shouldn’t be so surprised at the vitriol coming from Gaeta, because he’s pretty much earned it.
I can’t believe it, because the guy’s always annoyed me, but Lee Adama seems to be the voice of reason right now. Who woulda thunk?
Lee Adama, is in my personal opinion, their only hope now. Gaeta’s going to die, and Adama’s going to carry the weight of a lot of dead mutineers on his shoulders because of his tyrannical actions. So’s Roslin. Lee’s made tough decisions, had his existential crisis, and is ready to lead now. Let’s hope it happens soon.
I don’t like Gaeta, but they were about to mutiny against Cain and that seemed like a “right” thing to do.
Having said that; Gaeta must hang! There only chance of survival now is to get moving on and the Cylon FTL drives are no doubt better. Gaeta is not doing this out of sense sense of duty. He’s doing this because he got his leg shot off by Anders and he’s lost his friggin mind. Zarek is making a power grab.
Think about this. If they can’t take the Galactica back the cylon basestar will have to blow it out of the sky because they will no doubt shoot nukes at the basestar (assuming Gaeta has access to the launch codes).
i don’t really understand the Gaeta hatred.
first off the idea that mutiny is always wrong is ridiculous, if you see your leaders taking you off the deep end to destruction at some point you have to go against them.
if we look at the situation from Gaeta’s perspective thats exactly whats going on. Adama has seemingly become more than happy to be in bed with the Cylons without any real explanation as to why this is logical. he’s now moved to enforcing his will with force and disregarding actual law. he’s also shown a general disregard for what’s going as he’s been seemingly broken by the whole irradiated Earth debacle.
as well we have a president who is absent from decision making and on previous occasion has been show to do whatever she deems necessary to have her will accomplished, legal, logical or not (ie. stealing the election).
let’s not even get into Gaeta’s personal experience with Adama’s preferential treatment and how it’s cost Gaeta.
Gaeta has throughout the series has been shown to be a character who subscribes to logic and principle, and has alaways been faithful to both. But at this point in the series both logic and principle have been abandoned by the higher ups.
we as near-omnipresent viewers can understand why adam and roslin may make certain decisions or why the fleet should go along with the FTL upgrade etc. but from the viewpoint of someone whose actually in the series, you gotta understand that it would appear that things are taking a turn to hell very quickly.
with life and death being the stakes it would make sense to rise up against leaders that are taking you down a nonsensical path that would lead you to death.
Agreed… Lee seems to be the only one with any crediblity left, politically speaking.
Hmmm… that’s interesting, I hadn’t thought of it that way.
Now I really want to rewatch Mutiny on the Bounty…
Oh, oh, oh. Which one, which one, which one?
The original, over the top, why bother to remake it when it won the Best Picture Oscar with Charles Laughton (MR. CHRISTIAN!!!) and Clark Gable?
The it’s probably pretty accurate one with Anthony Hopkins and Mel Gibson?
The I don’t get out much and have umpteen hours to waste one with Trevor Howard and Marlon Brando who sure looks like a girl, at least MAD Magazine thought so when its writers riffed it 40+ years ago.