The original, though now I’m going to have to track down the Anthony Hopkins one, too–sounds intriguing.
Hear, hear! Nice post. I agree completely.
Wait…who did Adama kill when breaking that law?
Gaeta’s not hate-worthy, but pitiable in kinda’ the same way as a rabid dog. He’s letting his emotions get the better of him, as others have said here.
That said, he’s going to reap one hell of a whirlwind. I don’t think he’s that good a ship’s captain. Look at how he just barked orders at Gage when he was trying to stop Roslin’s transmission. He’s going to loose control pretty soon. Then things will get really, really ugly.
Also, that Conner and Gage are back are omens of what is to come and represent the essential character of this coup d’état. Even before it was out in the open, Narcho’s reaction to Kara grabbing his arm is illustrative. It’s worth baring mention that both Gage and Narcho were Pegasus crew. I guess her poison’s still in the fleet.
It’s worth baring mention that both Gage and Narcho were Pegasus crew. I guess her poison’s still in the fleet.
Or that Adama isn’t capable of inspiring the loyalty in his new crew.
Adama’s made a very, very questionable choice. I think he’s right, but I get why people who’ve been through what these people have been through would rebel against it. And I think a lot of the people on Adama’s side are accepting it not because they agree with Adama, but because they trust Adama.
The Pegasus crew hasn’t had the time to build that trust. Not the average guy, who isn’t on a first-name basis with the Admiral. Instead of looking at his record and knowing they can rely on him based on their past experience, they’re seeing what Gaeta said: a tired old man who’s letting his friendship for a Cylon cloud his vision, giving the enemy access to their jump drives.
Also, not every Pegasus crew member mutinied. Hoshi was in the CIC and was very obviously not in on it. (Someone pointed out somewhere that Gaeta actually protected his CIC buddies by tossing them in the holding cell. When this is over, no matter who wins, they couldn’t have sided with anyone. They didn’t have to make a decision, and they’re theoretically safe from any fallout.)
I think there is an underlying fact that the Pegasus crew has always had a hatred toward Cylon’s that are far more radical and persistent than the Galactica crew. The Pegasus crew was under Admiral Cain who couldn’t care less about how they treated Cylons, where even rape was allowable.
We take this same strain and inject it into the Colonial fleet that stayed on Galactica, and I believe that post Erf discovery, all this come out naturally. I just think Admiral Adama was always that glue that kept the crew and military together. He was their driving force. Even things that were questionable, they still stood by Adama, trusting that their end goal was to reach Earth.
Post Erf, it’s every man for yourself. I believe everyone at one point or another had thoughts about leadership, questioned Adama and Roslin, but conceded knowing that they needed to work together. Now there isn’t an end, and so they just need to survive.
So, to your original point, the poison was always there ever since the beginning it just came out in full force when the conditions were right.
Tilliam ship in 4x12 there was an uprising before they jumped away. pretty sure some civi’s died there. also they mentioned shooting up a ship in 4x13 can’t remember the name
Adama said something like if we have to shoot up every ship we go into this alliance is done
“The Bounty” - Mutiny not in the title.
I don’t hate Gaeta. If I were not in Adama’s inner circle of power and did not know what they know, I am not sure which side I would take.
The old man as protected you so far, made true on his promise to get you to Earth. Earth being crap is not his fault.
On the other hand, his trust of Cylons would seem to me to be irrational and dangerous. He has a Cylon as second in command, he wants a Cylon basestar to tag along with the fleet. He wants all ships to be retrofited with Cylon tech. He trusts Starbuck who came back from the dead in a Viper off the showroom floor. He will not accept the will of the Quorum concerning Cylons and sleeps with the President who up to this week had seemingly abandoned her responsabilities.
This is all too much for everyone in the fleet to accept. Tampering with the jump drives, in particular would seem to me to be scary as hell. The capacity to jump away from a fight as been what has kept them alive so far.
If Gaeta had not instigated the mutiny, someone else surely would have. I was inevitable. I’ll venture to say that even if all the personal tragedies had not happened to Gaeta (the leg, New Caprica resistance, Dee’s suicide, the evens from the webisode, etc…) he might still have come to the conclusion that it had to happen.
He tried to pull it off without bloodshed, but he will see his mission through regardless.
I think what sets “The Bounty” apart is they tried for realism. It did not necessarily make for a more entertaining movie.
They painted Captain Bligh not just as tyrant and the mutineers as conflicted. Obviously, with old movie cencorship they would not have been able to portray realistically the natives.
Also, if I remember correctly, the old movies did not spend too much time telling the story of how Bligh managed to guide his row boat and small crew to safety through an immense distance when he had been left for dead. Regardless of how you feel about the man, that was a fantastic achievement, a record that still stands today if I’m correct.
I may be misremembering but I thought they were referring to civilians turning on Marines/cylons - that a cylon and two marines were killed?
didn’t dvr it so maybe i’m wrong about the line. assuming i am (more likely than not :o )
just saying in the galactica universe a bunch of untrained tilliam workers fighting a group of armed marines and cylons. The odd’s are that civilians died in the fight,
coarse in the galactica universe odds are that someone always dies. :rolleyes:
someone with it DVR’d help a brother out?
Hoshi: “The crew of the tyllium ship has mutinied. They’ve killed a Cylon and two marines.”
No DVR, but I heart Hulu.
I love how Geata hateing the group of robots that killed the human race ( and continues to lie cheat and manipulte, to his knowledge) is seen as bad. Prejudice is often just analysis.
In the Intelligense services of this world’s armys ( for which I work) we do JUST THAT every day. We make predictions and form oppinions based on group’s, country’s, culture’s and yes sometimes race’s past consistint actions. That is what MI is all about.
So, for instance, if a jewish guy in Isreal hates Palasinians. It doesn’t by definition make him wrong or incorrect to think that he might should not drive alone in the gaza strip. His analysis tells him… he will probably get attacked. Sure we can call him a dick for being racist… but we shouldn’t fault his analysis. Geata is no different.
Based on the expieriences of ALL the humans in the fleet. The Cylons aren’t to be trustd. So what if six or seven individuals can be trusted. It doesn’t mean that you risk the saftey of the fleet in order to be PC.
Sure it makes him a dick. Don’t drink with him. Don’t invite him to family christmas. But don’t act like his isn’t right jsut because you don’t like his action personaly.
besides… he is prejudiced against machines! machines people… not black people, or asian people, or people of a different religion… or even people!
Ah! But that’s the problem for me and a lot of people on this forum. Being prejudiced against a cylon for being a cylon is analogous to the prejudices you point out based on race, religion, even gender, sexuality, etc. It’s the way the show transfers discussion of those prejudices onto the human/cylon divide that is so cool, and so challenging.
No one is saying that Gaeta doesn’t have logical motivations to feel the way he does about things, either. I just think that his actions do make him racist against the cylons, and that, yes from our omniscent viewpoint, is a negative characteristic.