That’s what she said!
Join the club 
I’m glad it was better the second time. Children are wonderful, but it’s amazing how one person (child or not) can ruin an experience (thinking of the 9 hour flight with a kid kicking my seat the whole ride…)
What she said.
Oh, and edited for a grammar quirk that has been bugging me:
A cannon shoots things. What one refers to as an established and commonly accepted body of work is canon.
Good one. It’s one of the common misspellings that go so often unnoticed.
Oh no, it’s noticed. It just doesn’t merit comment until it’s… excessive. 
sigh Yes, it is common usage. I use it myself. (I try not to.) However, common usage does not negate it’s exclusionary properties. (Think mild racial slurs… In previous generations it was common to use words like “colored”, “jap”, “dago”, “mickey”, etc. Not everyone who used the words was being intentionally hurtful or even thought twice about it. But do we think these words are acceptable today?)
Every eduacated english speaker knows that women are not excluded in this language. One would have to try to be offended at this speech. It’s not hateful, and doesn’t belittle women to use the word for the human race that also could be used for gender.
Hmmm. That’s funny, because my argument was based on the non-sexist language section of my first English class in college. (Oh, and before you jump to conclusions, no, it was not a private, liberal arts, all-girls school, either. It was a state university, and the class was taught by a man.) Much stress was placed on using non-exclusionary language.
We almost had a woman president, who’s now Sec. of State. ( BTW 3 of our last 4 secs of state have been women) and I work for a Female Army Colonial who makes the same amount of money and has the same power as her male conterpart. I don’t think ladies are being held back too much these days.
We do have a black president. Does that mean it’s okay to use the “n” word?
Well I wasn’t talking about you guys, or singleing you out… I am just talking about the nameless masses whom I am waiting to b#tch about this. There are always those types that can’t just watch a great moment in TV history and like it, they have to figure out a way to bitch or otherwise put importance ( past simple entertainment) on a frakin TV show. But I have always been a huge trek fan because of the story’s and adventure and have never understood the people ( and I am not name calling you guys out or saying that this is you guys- I sincerly hope that this isn’t you guys)who seek something more from trek than a good story. The hopeless iindividuals who wear Starfleet uniforms to jury duty or loose their mind if a new Trek comes out and they don’t feel the producers have went out o their way to represent “tahitian handicapped psycic scientologists” as a member of the new crew.
Well, gee, guess what? I’m a big Trek fan, too. I am completely entertained by it. I love the Original Series. I LOVED this movie. That doesn’t mean that I’m not aware of the cultural implications of exclusionary language.
I understand that 40 years ago in the south things were bad, and uhura was a breakthru. But that’s all fixed.
boggles Fixed? 40 years ago in the South? Prejudice still exists. Everywhere. People are still persecuted, beaten, and killed for who they are, be it race, sexual orientation, or religion, even here in the US.
Uhura is a great member of the new cast and nobodys thinking about how black she is… just how hot she is!!!
But not how intelligent she is? Not how well she handles herself in crisis situations? Not that she was a rock for Spock during one of the most devastating times of his life? All of which was true in this movie. You’re making my point for me.
Right, then it becomes “cannon indee(d)”. Bad pun intended! 
Meh. You have to stretch to think that “Where no man has gone before” excludes women. It’s like saying “Where no Latino has gone before” excludes latinas.
(Think mild racial slurs… In previous generations it was common to use words like “colored”, “jap”, “dago”, “mickey”, etc. Not everyone who used the words was being intentionally hurtful or even thought twice about it. But do we think these words are acceptable today?)
I’m probably guilty of this, since there has been a marked increase in perceived offense of terms in my lifetime. “Jap” (even minus a pejorative adjectives) is bad now. But I’m unclear if “Nip” or “Brit” is.
We do have a black president. Does that mean it’s okay to use the “n” word?
Only if you’re black. And a rapper. In which case the “word we can’t even spell out” can be broadcast on a 50,000 Watt blowtorch across the country with zero chance of the FCC chiming in.
But not how intelligent she is? Not how well she handles herself in crisis situations? Not that she was a rock for Spock during one of the most devastating times of his life? All of which was true in this movie. You’re making my point for me.
I have to see it again, but my first impression is that she came across as trying to get up on Spock when he was vulnerable.
You’re obviously coming in to this with a completely unbiased mind.
I’ll start with the age. Did you listen to the podcast? They look similar in age. Spock could easily be 50+ yet still look in his late 20’s/early 30’s as he does.
Bones is obviously at least a few years older than Kirk, who is in his mid 20’s in the latter half of this movie.
Chekov is quite young, and was (to me) clearly younger than everyone else in the series. Sulu is not as young, but still younger.
Oh yeah, the ages you’re using are also during the series
In this movie, the one I saw, Kirk and Bones are in the academy. Not yet graduated before the end. As in, have no started their 5 year mission. Perhaps that is why they are younger than you expected?
I appreciate the fast paced nature of the movie, if it had had the pacing on TMP I would likely have fallen asleep. I do agree, too much lens flare.
To be honest, it sounds like you are basing your entire (unbiased) opinion of the movie on the editing choices and age inconsistency.
So it is in my moderately biased opinion that you should not bother with this movie. You don’t care for it and you went in to this not intending to care for it.
Old Trek is dead, this is New Trek. If you don’t like it, more power to you.
Personally, I’m going to see it again tomorrow, god bless $5 tuesday.
Pondering an Imax showing, too. Those are bit more expensive, and it will be with my ex and her current biffle. Should that be awkward? I don’t really mind.
The one thing I really wanted to see, was wondering about since the first teaser trailer, is how they got the Enterprise from where it was built to outer space. There are plenty of possibilities, considering their technology, like it being launched, maybe in modules, or even beamed if in small enough pieces. It’s just something I really thought we were going to see.
Technically, it does. Do I think Roddenberry meant it to be exclusionary? Not at all.
I have to see it again, but my first impression is that she came across as trying to get up on Spock when he was vulnerable.
Really? I didn’t get that impression at all. My impression was that she saw someone she cared about hurting and wanted to give comfort.
According to Memory Alpha, these are the birth years of the TOS characters, established in TOS episodes/movies:
Kirk - 2233
Bones - 2227
Spock - 2232
Scotty - 2222
Uhura - 2230’s, no exact year established, but probably late in the decade
Sulu - 2237
Chekov - 2245
Since the main events of this movie occur when Kirk is 25 years old, that would make it 2258. Which would make the characters the following ages:
Kirk - 25
Bones - 31
Spock - 26
Scotty - 36
Uhura - early 20’s
Sulu - 21
Chekov - 13 <----The only one in the new movie not in line with TOS. A four year difference.
No idea. In the “prime” timeline, it was assembled in space. It was never supposed to fly in an atmosphere.
Damn, as a singular, you’re right. Point I was going for was that ‘man’ meant ‘human’ not ‘human males.’ The ‘one’ changes the meaning, since it now includes anything that lived. Klingons, the Q, etc.
Really? I didn’t get that impression at all. My impression was that she saw someone she cared about hurting and wanted to give comfort.
Oh, she wanted to give comfort all right…
I’ve seen a few different takes on her relationship with Spock. Some are saying it had started in the academy, some that it started right there (which was my initial impression.) Either way, it could have been made a bit clearer before they were sucking face for five minutes instead of, y’know, saving Earth.
As a woman, I’m sorry but it does exclude. I’m not a man. I really don’t understand why many men don’t understand that.
Only if you’re black. And a rapper. In which case the “word we can’t even spell out” can be broadcast on a 50,000 Watt blowtorch across the country with zero chance of the FCC chiming in.
Pre-Janet-Jackson-Super-Bowl-Incident you would be correct. However, if there is one event that truly changed everything, that would be the one.
I have to see it again, but my first impression is that she came across as trying to get up on Spock when he was vulnerable.
I could see why you’d say that, personally I chalk that up to the writers trying to get a dramatic moment in to make their point about the relationship. I, personally believe she would have waited until a more appropriate time to go talk to him.
I’d say your bias is showing, as well. Roddenberry’s Trek isn’t dead, it’s alive and well in it’s original universe. Adams’ Trek necessarily takes place in a different universe who’s timeline was changed by the arrival of Spock & Nero. There is absolutely no reason why you couldn’t have another TNG movie or, even better, a DS:9 based movie still set in the original universe.
Roddenberry’s trek IS dead. That’s why we aren’t up to Star Trek 14 right now. HIS version of things FAILED. His version doesn’t sell movie tickets or get rateings on tv. RDM’s version of trek did… and so did JJ’s movie.
As for movies BTW Roddenberry wasn’t allowed to open his mouth or participate in a trek movie since ST:TMP.
If you love St2:TWoK thank aomeone like Abrahams who took a FAILED tv show and made a better product. Roddenberry HATED the trek that most of us loved. He hated the FASA or Star Fleet Battles ( he refered one of them as “those games”) and most of all he hated ST2.
ST2 was a massive change from Roddenberry’s vision of “Starfleet isn’t a Navy”… and it was argueably the best Star Trek movie ever.
The only things that make TNG watchcable… Roddenberry was against. The Borg, Occasional ship combat, Bad Klingon’s in the civil war ( they were all supposed to be good now),
Sure give Roddenberry credit for makeing the 60’s show. ( altou the episodes were all direcrted , produced, and written by talented artiests- not him) But after that he made TMP and it was Garbage.
did he learn from it, NO… after that he made TNG and followed the TMP way of doing it… instead of the successfull ST2,3, and 4 formula.
Rateings have shown… his vision is a hippy love fest that doesn’t sell tickets or bring rateings. First Contact, DS9 and this Trek do!
To be fair, his version (TOS) took a while to find an audience, and it was more than the studios were prepared to spend. But in syndication (with a rotation that was much smaller than normal) it became popular enough that the rest of Trek happened.
Also, nobody is making a DS9 movie.
ds9 had better rateings on tv than TNG is what I meant… no there is never a return to TNG/DS9/VOY movie. I love me some ds9 and even I don’t think that arc fits well in a movie. It’s character soap opera… just can’t be done well. One could argue that even TNG was too character driven for movies.
To be fair, neither did TNG evidently, work out as a movie. ( First Contact was an exception… that was a Bad ass movie) but generations would have been crap without the death of Kirk, and Insurection and Nemisis sold few tickets and weren’t memorable outside of Trekkie circles.
This Movie, however , works despite it’s holes and will bring a life to Trek that even Khan or ST:4 couldn’t do. That’s my prediction.
I hope you’re right.
I’ve been watching too much B5 when this makes me think “the year is… the place, is Babylon Five.” lol!
April 24, 2011…what will you be doing? Me? I will be holed up in a basement hiding out from the machines & Skynet.
Meh. Don’t worry about it. September 13, 1999 came and went without incident.