So, What the Frak was Kara Thrace???

[CodyfromOhio]

Here’s what my take on what Kara Thrace was:

If not specifically an angel, then she was obviously some sort of spiritual form with a very clear purpose: make sure all necessary circumstances align to break the cycle of “this has happened before, and this will happen again”. Whether or not she succeeded, I believe, is a question the writers suggest we, as the current occupants of the 14th colony, will have to answer.

How did she do this? Well, I imagine you, like me, throughout the entire series were asking yourself what does all this mean and how is it all coming together? The answer is Kara. She was never a corporeal person from the beginning–she was always a mystical being, whose own destiny even she was unaware of. But she was always in just the right place at the right time to make something important happen–she had prescient perception in her drawing of the mysterious symbol, as a child, she had performed the notes that corresponded to the coordinates where the new earth was located, she recovered the arrow of Apollo, etc. And why is it she wasn’t afraid of death and was such an ace pilot? Because she was immortal, even though she only realized this on a subconscious level. She had already died 5000 years ago. It’s why, for example, only she could kill scar when everyone else failed (even if she had help). And when her plane exploded, she simply rematerialized at a later time, never having been able to die in the first place, to finish her task. If it weren’t for Kara, all the circumstances necessary for Galactica and the fleet to survive and find Earth would never have happened. She was the X-factor that brought everything together. And she only became consiously aware of her subtle influence on everything when she and the phantom piano player discovered the enigmatic song which was the supernatural thread running through it all.

In short, if any of the other characters were in the right place at the right time to miraculously save humanity, it was because of something either subtle or significant that Kara had affected. So in the end, she realized she had done all she could and could finally rest in peace, as she had not done since she originally died in battle all those thousands of years ago. Ghost or Angel, it was her job to set things right.

Good post…Welcome.

[Pike]

And when her plane exploded, she simply rematerialized at a later time, never having been able to die in the first place, to finish her task.

Hrmm. Maybe she was from a Plural Zone.

H2G2

[64kCylon]

So Kara was never human. I never thought of it that way.

Why was it that the hybrid said no one should follow her because she’s the harbinger? Was he the Iblis character? How does that fit into her arc?

Things are fitting together better, plotwise, but I don’t understand this part.

[hansioux]

I still think Kara is the parrelel of Christ in the BSG universe. She died and ressurected and in the last episode ascended. She died so that a new start could begin. I’d say head people are the parrelel of Angels, but Kara is not head people. Kara is either created/resurrected or heavily influenced by the eternal force that wants to make sure the cycle restarts when civilization destroys itself.

[Radio_Picon]

I thought this was settled by the Final Five 4-issue comic series. Maybe I was wrong about it being canon. I can’t seem to find anywhere where its canon-ness is pinned down. It’s definitely authorized, I know that much.

But if it is canon then Aurora (a Lord of Kobol as was Head Six) incarnated as Pythia, a Starbuck-like character, during the Kobol cycle, including reappearing after death in a viper.

She would reappear as Starbuck in this cycle. The second oracle we saw in the series compared Starbuck to Aurora, goddess of the dawn.

[hansioux]

But if it is canon then Aurora (a Lord of Kobol as was Head Six) incarnated as Pythia, a Starbuck-like character, during the Kobol cycle, including reappearing after death in a viper.

She would reappear as Starbuck in this cycle. The second oracle we saw in the series compared Starbuck to Aurora, goddess of the dawn.

so in the comics a lot more details are given to the Lords of Kobol… wish they have done that with the TV series…

So are these “lords” battling over each other?

[Radio_Picon]

so in the comics a lot more details are given to the Lords of Kobol… wish they have done that with the TV series…
So are these “lords” battling over each other?

I haven’t got the 4th and final issue yet, but the series so far hasn’t gone into much detail about what the Lords of Kobol are. There exact nature is still left a mystery, but Head Six is one of them, as was Pythia who apparently didn’t know what she was.

At first I was pretty iffy about the comic’s BSG back story but it’s shaping up to make good sense.

[64kCylon]

I like that. It fits with the gift she gave Adama–the statue of Aurora. I suppose that makes her a Lord of Kobol? They were ascended humans, I think.

[Armando]

I like that. It fits with the gift she gave Adama–the statue of Aurora. I suppose that makes her a Lord of Kobol? They were ascended humans, I think.

“Ascended humans?” What are those? I’d always assumed the “Lords” of Kobol were merely the ruling class of the human civilization on Kobol during the “first cycle,” particularly after Head Baltar’s remarks during the epilogue of “Daybreak.” Hmm…

[Nickname_Boomer]

Gozer the Gozerian???

don’t think its possible consider the spiritual journey of the BSG crew and than watch this… suddenly it’ll all make sense.

//youtu.be/6u3vwajQ-FY

the traveler has come but she will be stopped in the 80’s so its cool

[hansioux]

Gozer the Gozerian???

don’t think its possible consider the spiritual journey of the BSG crew and than watch this… suddenly it’ll all make sense.

//youtu.be/6u3vwajQ-FY

the traveler has come but she will be stopped in the 80’s so its cool

wisdom to live by… always say YES when asked by that question…

Maybe on Lord of Kolbol were simply humans (or Cylons) who first discovered “resurrection”, only that their method isn’t as perfect as the the later versions, and they basically reincarnate, hence we get them reincarnating as Pythia or Starbuck?

[Radio_Picon]

“Ascended humans?” What are those? I’d always assumed the “Lords” of Kobol were merely the ruling class of the human civilization on Kobol during the “first cycle,” particularly after Head Baltar’s remarks during the epilogue of “Daybreak.” Hmm…

Yeah…“Ascended” makes me think of Stargate and Stargate only!

In the 4-issue series about the Final Five, the Lords of Kobol weren’t explained. It was made clear that they weren’t mortal humans as we know them though. They were worshiped on Kobol but were the usual absent abstractions found in religions today…except in that universe the “gods” turned out to be real.
And yes, as Aurora was to Pythia she was also to Starbuck…making Starbuck a Lord of Kobol with amnesia.

Unfortunately, Head Baltar was never explained but since we know Head Six was a Lord of Kobol then I think it follows Head Baltar was too.

[hansioux]

Yeah…“Ascended” makes me think of Stargate and Stargate only!

In the 4-issue series about the Final Five, the Lords of Kobol weren’t explained. It was made clear that they weren’t mortal humans as we know them though. They were worshiped on Kobol but were the usual absent abstractions found in religions today…except in that universe the “gods” turned out to be real.
And yes, as Aurora was to Pythia she was also to Starbuck…making Starbuck a Lord of Kobol with amnesia.

Unfortunately, Head Baltar was never explained but since we know Head Six was a Lord of Kobol then I think it follows Head Baltar was too.

Ascended humans is a Asian concept. That when a regular human being achieved enough wisdom, morality, good deeds, knowledge and power they ascend to the heaven and becomes a god.

There are many |gods| like these in Asia, they can be doctors, generals, engineers, yes, there are engineering gods…

[Aset]

Ascention is not a purely asian concept. It’s inherent to the Christian allegory as well.

[Radio_Picon]

Ascended humans is a Asian concept.

Yeah that basic idea is lots of places obviously. Buddhism could be said to promote a type of “ascension” if your definition of it matches nirvana closely enough.
But using that particular word in a sci-fi context made me think of Stargate. Speaking of, I’m looking forward to the new Stargate series. That franchise is so good at shamelessly stealing from other scifi shows, that I hope BSG’s legacy has given them something to reach for, and we get an interesting new series out of it.

[hansioux]

Yeah that basic idea is lots of places obviously. Buddhism could be said to promote a type of “ascension” if your definition of it matches nirvana closely enough.
But using that particular word in a sci-fi context made me think of Stargate. Speaking of, I’m looking forward to the new Stargate series. That franchise is so good at shamelessly stealing from other scifi shows, that I hope BSG’s legacy has given them something to reach for, and we get an interesting new series out of it.

i don’t understand why Stargate seems to be the only scifi show these days to be able to pump up materials regularly…

[64kCylon]

in the book of Pythia that the Lords were humans who gained strength and power and came to be revered as gods–which means they aren’t actually gods?–so Kara, HeadSix and HeadBaltar are Lords? Okay. That’s why “He” doesn’t like to be called God. “He” is an ascended human. Suddenly, I am happier with the finale–just a bit.

As to Stargate, soon enough we will find (as in BSG:TOS) that the Cylons orginally were reptillian and created by a Dr. “Gould” or somesuch.

[Radio_Picon]

in the book of Pythia that the Lords were humans who gained strength and power and came to be revered as gods–which means they aren’t actually gods?

They might not be gods, but I don’t recall the show ever delving this deeply into the book of Pythia and the origins of the Lords. Do you remember where you heard this?

[64kCylon]

It strikes me Roslyn said it, but that’s about all. The most I recall her talking about the BSG religion was S1, maybe S2.

[bigdamnhero]

Speaking of, I’m looking forward to the new Stargate series. That franchise is so good at shamelessly stealing from other scifi shows, that I hope BSG’s legacy has given them something to reach for, and we get an interesting new series out of it.

Me too… I’ve never really been interested in Stargate, but SGU looks good… kind of BSG in tone. Robert Carlyle is great.