Simple question: Why does Chuck hate Kes?

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#1

I’m rewatching Voyager at the moment and I must say that she is actually one of the least annoying characters. Actually, she isn’t annoying at all. Tuvok, Janeway and Chakotay definitely are. Paris,Kim and B’Elanna are simply boring. The doctor is of course awesome. Seven of Nine is hot, what more do you need.
Oh, and Neelix, he could be annoying, but he isn’t really. Also, the best episodes of the two first seasons were about him (Holo Lungs and Jetrel).

But I find that Kes is so soft and sweet, it’s always soothing when she speaks. Her character might also not be the most interesting, but considering the rest of the crew…

So, what’s the deal?

I don’t expect the allmighty Chuck himself to find his way to this question but maybe I missed his explanation and someone else could fill me in.

Thx there.

#2

Try:
Most annoying character!
http://forum.galacticwatercooler.com/showthread.php?t=11128

Star Trek annoying poll Bracket 1
http://forum.galacticwatercooler.com/showthread.php?t=11139

Star Trek annoying poll Bracket 2
http://forum.galacticwatercooler.com/showthread.php?t=11141

And, Most Annoying Character Championship!
http://forum.galacticwatercooler.com/showthread.php?t=11223

Personally, I agree with you on Kes, but not Neelix. Mostly a matter of preference.

I don’t remember Chuck replying, but should give you some idea.

#3

Chuck is not almighty. He has no power over that which is yellow.

Wait. That’s Green Lantern.

Never mind. :stuck_out_tongue:

#4

Kes doesn’t even hold a candle in annoyance to Keiko O’Brien. Poll results be damned. When the Pah-Wraith took over Keiko, it was an improvement.

#5

Ha, in the most annoying character poll the last entry is “entire cast of Voyager”

I can get behind that.

#6

lol, yeah, at least she stopped complaining.

Voyager fails at most of its plot driven episodes but Voyager still has many great episodes, and in many of them it is the characters that made the episode great. I agree there are a lot of season 1 episodes where Neelix and Kes are annoying. But Star Trek usually suck in early seasons. If you’ve only seen season 1 of TNG and DS9, even the captains probably would seem extremely annoying.

For me the most annoying part about Kes and Neelix is their relationship. That ended early season 2. From there on, episodes such as Tuvix, Riddles (where Tuvok lost his memories and his ability to suppress emotion due to an alien attack, and Neelix helped him), Jetrel where Neelix tried to work with the scientist who invented the weapon for the genocide of Talax for a possibility to bring his people back. And many Neelix taking care of children stories are heart warming as well. Kes had many great episodes against Tuvok as well.

Neelix has his idiosyncrasies, but i like him the same way as i like Quark, and he’s nicer happier and less of a klutz as Quark.

#7

Well-put, and you cite some good examples as well, hansioux. Star Trek is always better when it’s about the characters, and when the writers tap in to the viewer’s emotions. If Kes as a character had a problem for me, it was that I didn’t STRONGLY like her or dislike her. She was just “there”, and I think the writers had problems writing for her for the longest time. I just didn’t really care a whole lot. I’m glad she evolved into a higher being. Have a nice day, Kes. :wink:

#8

Yeah. I felt the same way about Kes. Kinda “meh”. Chemistry between Kes and Neelix was never believable so that aspect didn’t work either.

In contrast, Seven of Nine turned out to be one of the greatest Star Trek characters ever, and in particular Seven was not just interesting on her own, what she brought out on the other characters was very cool (Janway and the Doctor especially).

#9

Yeah… the age thing was creepy.

#10

I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with most of your character estimations. I’m not sure I’d go so far as to call Kes annoying (though I can understand that more than the Keiko hate :(), but the way you describe Kes makes her sound like an idealized nineteenth century lady, which can be quite problematic.

But then again, Janeway, Tuvok, and B’Elanna are probably my favorite characters in Voyager, so we obviously have different tastes :stuck_out_tongue: Janeway, because I can identify with her for a lot of different reasons. Tuvok because I really enjoy his story lines (and I’m a sucker for Vulcan characters… see Spock, Casilda’s love of and T’Pol, Casilda’s love of). And B’Elanna because I enjoyed her struggles being half-Klingon (again, sucker for Klingon stuff) half-human, particularly with the female side of Klingon society, especially as much of what we saw in TNG and DS9 dealt with very male-focused spaces of being-Klingon.

#11

I loved the before and after episode because Paris married Kes, and Kim married Tom and Kes’s daughter XD

my favorite line from that episode:

Kim to Paris: so, how does it feel to be a grandfather?
Tom Paris: better than having you as a son in law.

to the Kes is meh, no strong emotion point, I can see that, but that hardly makes her annoying, right?

#12

Yeah, I don’t think I ever thot of Kes as annoying, just “meh”.

Some have dissed Chakotay too, but I thot he was fine.

#13

i am ok with Chakotay, actually liked him, until the episode Shattered, which I thought was a pretty cool story (even though I am not a fan of time travel reset button stories).

but in Shattered I felt Robert Beltran really stood out with some pretty flat acting. and then I heard about how he wasn’t happy with how Chakotay was sidelined so he just sorta give up, which I can understand, his character was side lined. But after that episode they had the whole Chakotay and 7 of nine thing, and his character was never the same for me, i just didn’t like his characer any more.

Until recently, on Memory Alpha article for Shattered, I saw tis entry:

When asked what he thought of this episode on a podcast in 2009, Robert Beltran said “I hated that episode!”

i then realized Robert Beltran might have been intentionaly not trying when he delivered his lines in Shattered because he didn’t like that episode.

#14

I never understood that. If he wasn’t happy they should have killed off his character and let him go. I don’t know how contracts and the “business” work but if he was doing craaap work, he should have been fired. B’lanna becomes the new second-in-command and Seven moves to Engineering. See how easy that was?

#15

Did that actually work for Dax? I adored the old actress. I grew to like the replacement, but it wasn’t the same.

It worked for Tasha Yar because it was early in the series.

Didn’t work for Ivanova (different series I know) imo for example.

#16

I’ve been recently re-watching Voyager and so far I’m only about 3/4 of the way through Season 2. But the thing that has annoyed me the most so far is that everything happens to Harry Kim.

Disease affecting the crew? Kim is sick.

Crew member wrongly charged for a crime he didn’t commit? Kim’s in jail.

Stumble onto an alien burial ground? Kim is transported to another dimension.

First encounter with Species 8472? Kim gets attacked and sick.

See where I’m going? Maybe I’m just nitpicking, but it seems like Kim is always getting screwed on away missions. Maybe the creators of the show realized that the Delta Quadrant doesn’t have an endless supply of red shirts, so the bad stuff had to happen to someone and they chose Kim.

Sorry, that was off topic. Rant off.

#17

Kim was Voyager’s answer to TNG’s Wesley in that respect. When it wasn’t Kim, it was Kes. Then, after Kes, it was Seven of Nine. But by the time she came to the show, the writing was so good, I didn’t mind. (And, I lub me some Seven of Nine.)

#18

I guess Kim was the “O’Brien must suffer” tv trope of that show.

Why would B’Elanna be second in command? Tuvok was second officer. Or was there a rule about the Number One having to be a Maquis member that I missed?

In that regard, whoever was the second Officer of DS9?

#19

Major kira for the station and day to day operations, and (I may be mistaken on this) Jadzia Dax for federation.

#20

No, second officer, not second in command. First Officer is second in command. I’m talking about the third in command.

But I guess Jadzia would be it. And after she’s gone Worf maybe.

Oh, if you want useless, what did Ezri ever do that was of meaning? And don’t tell me counseling. Counselors are a joke.

“How does that make you feel”, “Well, what do ou think”.

Although I did like Ezri’s analysis of the Klingon’s hypcritical honour system in regards to their politics.