How messed up is it that Cavil thinks of Ellen as his mother and was getting the “Swirl” on a regular basis ?
That my dear is a truly Fracked up thought. Totally Fracked-UP. Ellen was Fraging her DAD. Wow, what a mind screw.
Holy crap!!! I forgot about that. At least she didn’t know!!! God damn that’s nasty.
Well Creator and Mother are two different things.
just gotta say best stockwell performance yet!
Dean Stockwell’s monologue on why he hates humanity was the frakin’ bomb. It was relatively short, but I’m still rating it alongside Bamber’s in Crossroads. Two of the best monologues in the show, definitely.
Very messed up, but I like the way you think… RDM’s really going for the Oepidal thing, that’s for sure.
I don’t think John and Ellen ever had a mother-son relationship.
On a side note I find it interesting that it is now explained why Cavil always had that cynical view of the S7 religion, he always knew it was just a software routine inserted by Ellen like anything else.
Well said. Given the direction of Cavil’s character he probably saw having Ellen service him as a sick joke and a power play.
Ok so its really not a mother son relationship since Ellen is John’s creator which is different from his mother. But Ellen created John in the image of her father… its still a big ewwwww.
Except that he’s wrong. According to Anders, the “One True God” theory came from the Centurions. So, it might be a Final Five implant into the skins, but the Centurions thought it up first.
And who knows what the Raiders believe in.
For that matter, why don’t the Cavil’s just download into a Raider. I mean, talk about feeling the solar flux on your skin … the raiders LIVE in space. 
I can see that, though if that sort of makes Tigh, Cavil’s father, then the roles are a bit reversed as Cavil stabs out Tigh’s eye.
Oh, you just reminded me about how the Raiders were able to detect Anders by scanning his right eye. Now that we know that JC (John Cavil) knew that Tigh was FF cylon, the fact that he had his eye ripped out has special significance. He really was taking out his vengeance not on humanity, but on the FFs…
My question is: how much did Ellen know and when did she know it?
It’s mentioned in another thread here, re: Ellen.
From what I understand, when Cavil suffocated the final 5, he blocked their memories from their resurrected bodies…that way he could insert them into the 12 colonies to watch humankind destroyed, without their superior knowledge interfering.
When Ellen was poisoned and resurrected, she regained all those memories that had previously been blocked. I think it’s reasonable to assume that pre-poisoning, Ellen had no idea who she was.
Who gave the “signal” to revive the other 4 - Ellen? Erf?
Good question. Cavil asked much the same in regards to the template of the 5 and the supernova. She said that the one true god must have arranged it. With massagers of a sorts running around, there’s another actor out there. Cavil, of course, would have none of it.
Note, evidently there’s about 1 a century in a galaxy of this size. They are very, very rare. Just very, very visible.
Agreed. I believe that Ellen even called him on it towards the end of the “no exit” scenes (on the basestar, her, Boomer, John).
I was under the impression that the FF had that faith, and that coincidentally (or not, hehe) the Centurions had come to have faith in a similar being.
I wondering if those ‘restraining bolts’ that the centurious have were installed by Cavil, since he has been trying to control every one and everything. And if so, wouldn’t the centurions ‘liberated’ by the rebels be more than a little ticked at Cavil? I beleive Cavil said that the bolts took away their creative thought, so wouldn’t that almost directly indicate he did not want them to beleive in their god?
All this makes me wonder exactly how much neuro surgery Cavil did on all of the lines except himself. Maybe D’Anna’s visions were from a botched ‘adjustment’, maybe the 8’s are so wishy washy cause cavil made them that way, maybe the Leoben’s are slightly nuts for the same reason.
I was unclear about this as well. I wasn’t sure just how literally to take Anders comment about the idea of a one true god coming from the centurions. Did the idea originate the idea with them or was it at some level implanted by their creators, or is a natural evolution of a sentient being, or whatever. Then I read this interview with Ryan Mottesheard’s and Jane Espenson:
James: One thing I would like to know is if the Final Five (and the rest of the Earth Cylons) believed in the One True God like the Centurions do?
Jane: The Final Five were polytheists until they met the Centurions, who were monotheists.
Full interview here http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-no-exit-ellen-cavil-boomer.html