Nuclear power debate

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/16/obama.jobs/index.html

Loan guarantees pave way for first new U.S. nuclear reactors in years

Washington (CNN) – President Obama announced $8.3 billion in loan guarantees Tuesday for two nuclear reactors to be built in Burke County, Georgia.

Ugh! Yes, I’m against nuclear plants.

What do you do with the waste? In the past, they’ve been shipped to or nearby poor and/or Black neighborhoods. They don’t have the political or economic power to stop the storing/dumping.

My main concern is that american companies can’t even keep coal miners safe. How many deaths and incidents have there been just in the past 10 years? And, those are just the ones that have been reported. I fear american companies would cause a Chernobyl because they’ll prioritize profits and cost-cutting measures over safety despite regulations and oversights.

If the plants were government owned, I’d worry less.

How do other people feel about it?

All legitimate concerns, but I’m much more worried by the carbon being generated by more conventional power sources than I am from possibility of a massive radiation leak. So until we finally get cold fusion I think nuclear fission has to be one of our main options for power generation. From what I hear storage of the waste can be made to be relatively safe. Of course it faces the ultimate NIMBY problem. However, the big issue is how to label the waste such that future civilizations a few thousand years in the future doesn’t mess with it while its still hot.

I personally am pro Nuclear Energy.

I think we can learn from the Chernobyl disaster and fix the flaws that occurred.

I do question where you got the information about dumping the waste in minority neighborhoods. From what i understand they were dumping the waste in caverns.

From what i understand Nuclear Power is far safer than the public has been led to believe. Pop culture movies and tv shows have had a significant effect on the negative image of Nuclear power.

One instance ist he movie China Syndrome

Which came out 12 days before 3-Mile Island which while was a bad accident had pretty much no negative health results

Recently I read, I cant remember where, but it is believed that The Simposons have had a tremendously negative effect on the image on Nuclear Power.

well heres the thing its cleaner than most. is it flawed yes, but the fear that it may melt down is a very small risk. Up here in Canada we have a few plants and they have never spewed radioactive waste over the populous i think your fear of corporate management should be stated as if they are used the highest level of safety and competence in management and upkeep must be used. either in the corporate sector or government but the chernobyl thing is really a one in million shot.

still would be nice if they would invest in solar to make it more viable.

Nothing is 100% safe.

Life is not 100% safe.

The government has had problems keeping track of nuclear warheads. Not sure where the faith for their future capability is coming from.

I didn’t read these articles in their entirity, so feel free to accuse me of “cherry picking.” I just did a Google search for “nuclear waste minority communities” and searched for “income” and/or “minority” within the pages.

http://www.nirs.org/factsheets/pfsejfactsheet.htm

Bullcreek, a tribal member who resides on the reservation with her children, disagrees with NRC’s ruling that the dump presents “no disproportionately high and adverse impacts on low income or minority populations.” (DEIS, pg. LXX of the introduction).

Blackbear is also working with his U.S. Congressman to investigate allegations that Chairman Bear has used PFS income to bribe some tribal members into supporting the lease agreement and dump proposal, while blocking other payments due tribal members who oppose the dump.

http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst;jsessionid=L7HbS1JG1pvkdvrqmx5t2whJ7sym51Hmr7bVcLSD9GVTkGJbvpQQ!517703876!1939691874?docId=5002192383

Hazardous waste production and disposal in the United States is a pressing environmental and public health concern. One issue related to this problem is the lack of published information about the health effect to humans from exposure to hazardous substances produced by commercial hazardous waste facilities and emanating from abandoned waste sites. Further, it is only recently that discussion has surfaced regarding the selective health risks faced by minority Americans who are more likely than nonminority populations to live in neighborhoods where these exposures might occur.

The earliest documented evidence that minority communities were more likely to be located near commercial hazardous waste facilities or abandoned hazardous waste sites appeared in 1983 when the U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) analyzed the racial and socioeconomic status of communities located in the southeast region of the U.S. (4, 13, 16). The study revealed that African Americans composed the majority of the population in three of the four communities where the hazardous landfills were located. In all four communities, more than one-fourth of the population had incomes below the poverty level, and most of this population below the poverty level was African American (9).

http://ehstoday.com/news/ehs_imp_35623/

Citizens are getting into the act: A federal civil rights lawsuit was filed in the U.S. District Court of Nevada by Jonathan Galaviz (a Hispanic-American, filing pro se). The lawsuit contends (among other constitutional arguments) that high-level nuclear waste shipments would inflict great damage on low-income white and minority communities nationwide. It further states that the DOE, with the approval of President George Bush and Energy Secretary Abraham, intentionally selected those routes in order to minimize political opposition to the project.

“Any U.S. senator voting in favor of [the Yucca Mountain project] will inflict great harm on African-American, Hispanic-American, Asian-American and Native-American communities nationwide. High-level nuclear waste shipments will not be transported through Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills, Calif., or in the posh areas of Georgetown in Washington D.C., but there will be thousands shipped by truck and rail through predominately low-income communities for the next 40 years,” says Galaviz.

http://faculty.virginia.edu/ejus/ENV97.htm

Richmond, California has been described as exemplifying the lack of fair geographic distribution in the siting of facilities.23 According to one frequently cited study by Citizens for a Better Environment (CBE Report), "[a]ll of the lower income, minority neighborhoods are in the western and southern parts of Richmond where the highest concentration of petrochemical facilities are also located,"24 and "[t]his form of institutional discrimination has been called ‘environmental racism’ by some community leaders."25 Upon a closer examination, however, it is difficult to assess the relative importance of racially discriminatory practices versus nonracial factors when evaluating the proximity of minorities to contaminated sites in Richmond.

Granted, it’s mostly low-income and minority advocates making these claims, but there’s good evidence for the arguments. As I said before, most of these communities lack the economic and political power to adequately say, NIMBY.

i think its just important whoever runs these things, they need to be able do the job safely. more people have died from coal than from nuclear energy. so there really is a pretty good track record here for the industry. but its like plane crash your more likely to die in the cab ride home, but when things go wrong they go really wrong. but like stated before its the best of our options right now.

as sad as that is

Wait a minute. Is that adjusted for how many years the coal industry has been around and adjusted for the ratio of coal users/businesses versus the nuclear industry and users/businesses?

I mean I could say more people have died from coal than wind and solar energy too. But, I think it would be unfair to compare their track records.

Nuclear power is far safer than the current power we have. Case in point: The explosion that killed all those people last week at the gas power plant. Hundreds die each year mining coal, and fossil-fuel burning power plants release tons of radioactive material into the air each year (isotopes present in the coal, for example).

The founder of Greenpeace is at odds with the organization and no longer involved in part because his research ended up showing the massive environmental damage that takes place each year as a result of anti-nuclear hysteria.

3,000-6,000 coal miners die each year.

just average the people who died from the time that both industries were running, and let us not forget the people who have died from the pollution created by the coal industry, think nuclear is the safer choice.

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as for the fair comparison well your right to a degree i mean coal fire electric plants are much more prevalent than nuclear plants so the numbers for the coal industry would be greater, but pound for pound i believe nuclear is safer option. besides i love three eyed fish. they glow in the dark and are delicious :wink:

Yes, but my point is, how does that ratio compares versus the total number of coal miners to people in the nuclear industry? The coal mining industry is bigger than the nuclear industry. I must not be explaining it well.

big fan of nuclear energy, even with the risks.

there is a giant undergroud facility that is unfinished but designed very specifically to hold hundreds of years of nuclear waste. finish it and use it.

I think the nuclear industry isn’t big enough in America to be sure one way or the other. And, if I had my way, it never would be.

In Europe, they must be doing something right, I admit. But, I don’t trust American companies to do the same.

I’d freak out if a coal mining company decided to make a nuclear plant or was given the loan to make a nuclear plant. Same for an oil company. They would care too much about profit versus safety. Call me paranoid, fine.

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The most recent fatalities in the nuclear industry were 11 years ago in Japan. Two people died. In that time, almost 70,000 people died in coal mining accidents.

I understand what you’re saying quite well, I suspect you’re just not liking what you’re hearing.

Fastcart: With respect, some of the things you’ve written above seem to suggest that you have decided that no amount of facts will change your mind. If this is accurate, then it sounds as if you have made a decision based on emotion instead of reason. I hope I’m misreading you.

Losing a multimillion dollar facility and the ensuing bad press would be very bad for profit margins. American companies are going to protect their investment.

well here’s the thing if one nuclear plant, goes many many people will die. and it will some day. but its very rare, people consistently die in current power industries, so you take your chances, every year thousands will die, or once every 30 years or so a giant loss of life.

i go with the second option as its easier, to manage and protect against.

Currently, if you want to power a modern grid and DON’T want to emit carbon, you just have to go nuke. There is no alternative for the backbone.