Luke/Leia Incest Perspective

[Armando]

I would like to see some evidence that the whole Luke and Leia sibling angle was determined only after ESB, because at this point I don’t buy it. I think it is too strongly foreshadowed for that to be the case and also fits too closely with the arc of the story.

I admit that the “There is another” line serves the purpose of suggesting mind that Luke may be expendable and therefore increasing the jeopardy in the viewer’s mind as he confronts Vader. However, ‘the other’ mixed with Luke’s telepathic communication with Leia would be too much of a stretch if there weren’t a special connection between the two. And let’s face it, Luke is not going to end up with the girl in these movies. He is committing the nobel sacrifice and while he is resolving his father issues and personal journey, there is not room in the story for him to see how he lives happily ever after. He is Frodo; his journey is going to leave him with major scars before he can think about finding the love of his life. Han Solo is Sam Gangee; the journey allows him to correct the past failings/mistakes that allows him to find the love in his life. It is the love that that character finds that tells us life all has become right in the world…

Indeed. Which is why the whole “Luke marries Mara Jade” in the EU doesn’t sit well with me. Luke Skywalker CANNOT, EVER, get the (a) girl. In fact, my view has always been (although my recent “discovery” of the fantastic “Legacy” series in the comics makes me rather glad that they didn’t go in this direction) that Luke should NOT have been successful in restoring the Jedi knights to prominence. I always thought it’d be more interesting to have his efforts fail in a galaxy that had been torn apart by force wielders and have Luke die as the last of the Jedi, somewhat disillusioned and perhaps even dangerously close to the dark side because of that disillusionment.

Perhaps there is too much darkness and anger in me, though. Much like my father…

[Armando]

So everyone watched it 4,5,6, then 1,2,3. ?

Hell, I still haven’t made it past 1!

But you know, I watched them all recently enough, in 1-2-3-4-5-6 order, to remember how different the prequels make the originals feel. A New Hope, right after Revenge of the Sith, gains a bit of gravitas for me, at least in its first half (its shift to a lighter tone in the second half, by contrast, feels a bit odd after ROTS). The Luke/Leia “surprise” was never really much of a surprise at all to me, since, as mentioned, Leia is the only woman in the originals, so, well, DUH! The one moment that loses its impact for me, though, is Vader’s “I am your father.” That just doesn’t hold as much weight when watching the films in chronological order as it once did, even though it’s still a greatly dramatic moment. For the most part, though, I think the movies hold up quite well in Lucas’ order, provided one is willing to put up with Gungans and Ewoks at the bookends.

[imn0tal0ser]

my cousin suggested to me yesterday that the best order to show the films to someone who has never seen any of them is 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6, so that you get the story of Luke, then the reveal that Vader is his father, then you go back and see how all that happened, and then you get the resolution of all of it with ROtJ.

[h1661n5]

That’s a hot button for me too. I really hate it when people mock or make ignorant comments about mental illness. Mental illnesses of all sorts are as common as broken bones—with a just as wide a spectrum of treatability as broken bones. Yet there’s a huge gap between how a person with a broken leg is viewed versus how people view a person with depression or bipolar disorder, or whatever.

You one thing that’s really great about BSG, to me, is their presentation of people’s emotional reactions to things.

The finest example of this is Tyrol flipping out over at Adama. In a very raw, brutal scene, we see how is going through the mourning process.

I find sometimes, Star Wars, despite my love of it, to be extremely glossy in terms of presenting those things.

[DawnAZ]

my cousin suggested to me yesterday that the best order to show the films to someone who has never seen any of them is 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6, so that you get the story of Luke, then the reveal that Vader is his father, then you go back and see how all that happened, and then you get the resolution of all of it with ROtJ.

Interesting take on viewing. I know I prefer to breakup the Godfather films and watch part 1 of the second film first, showing Deniro and the rise of the don’s power, then watch all of the first movie, then part 2 of the second one. Sounds a lot more complicated when you write out like that. Sometimes they air it at way on TBS.

[TighFighter]

Interesting take on viewing. I know I prefer to breakup the Godfather films and watch part 1 of the second film first, showing Deniro and the rise of the don’s power, then watch all of the first movie, then part 2 of the second one. Sounds a lot more complicated when you write out like that. Sometimes they air it at way on TBS.

A long time ago there was a TV version of Godfather that had the first two movies edited together in chronological order. I’ve never caught the movie this way, but I’ve always wanted to.