Kara's End

I think that was just a timing thing. they were out of film and had to finish.

along the same idea, i would have like to see some of the people not being able to transition back onto a planet after spend so long in space.

That has been my opinion after all. “all will be revealed” has the word “all” in it. All was not revealed. Maybe they should have said “Somethings will be revealed” .

Dunno, I kind of assumed that not everybody gave up all their technology, that there might well have been conflict among factions somewhere down the road, but that’s just one more thing left to us to consider.

I too, love the ambiguity. And the question, “who/what was Kara 2.0”, has been with me since the finale (along with who really were the Lords of Kobol.:))

My thoughts also.

Hear ya. I, for one, never really believe that.

Yes, my thought also. The question of who is Starbuck 2.0, is not a problem for me. I enjoy thinking about that one. But I can’t believe that ALL the Fleet survivors would willingly renounce their technology.

This is what I think also. But how long they would be able to sustain it, is another question. Perhaps 1, or 2 generations?

I don’t think we’d even be talking generations, but months or years before major aspects of their technology went kaput. They wouldn’t have access to their tylium any more and their only other energy supplies would be wood and elephant dung. I’m all for biofuels but that’s quite a retrofit. With out Galactica they also would have lost any significant manufacturing infrastructure that they had access to. I assume they took what small gizmos they had (small arms, lights etc) and used them to carry them over until they got proficient hunting and provisioning by more basic means. They may have even set up a small infirmary/clinic/hospice run off a raptor for those who needed medical care to get back on their feet after the battle or let those who were more infirm die in peace on the planet. Anyway, I bet after a year to two their wasn’t much useful advance technology left other than knives and the such…

A bit late on this one. I tend to agree with those who hated AND those who loved the ending (although I haven’t detected much love, rather a lot of, hmm, yes, I was OK with it). I think it was great stylistically, and there was a certain poetry to the way everything was resolved, or not. But a part of me thinks the whole unknown ‘supernatural’ force thing was a lazy cop out. There are elements of it that I like - a bit of mystery is kinda nice here and there - but I do think there were lots of wasted opportunities. However, maybe they would have needed another series or at least a load more episodes to develop these opportunities, and I suspect that all the stuff I think they could/should have done would have just looked too trite and contrived if it had been forced into S04.5. So, I’m conflicted. Throughout a lot of BSG I felt that the show was a near-perfect work of genius, and I didn’t feel that about the end. But wrapping it all up satisfactorily was always going to be a tall order.

Gotta agree with everything you said.

i haven’t read the whole thread so i dont know if its been mentioned or not…

i am mostly ok with how kara was answered, i can deal with the ambiguity. I do wish they had better explained how her dead body got to earth. i think they could have said that the mandala/maelstrom was some sort of wormhole or passageway to earth. this would have explained the significance of the mandala, and would have explained how starbuck got to earth v1 and still say that “god” did all of it.

Well I can see where your coming from. It was not the ending I would have liked or found interesting. The ending wouldn’t have been so bad if they could have maybe had Head Gaius and Six walk past Kara She looks at them strangely as if she knows them but is then distracted. That would have been interesting. The ending was good except for the whole Kara=angel thing. It could have been better if she was “needed” by the centurians(sp) and somehow ended up with them, but this is a horrible joke.

Eh I feel as though we were cheated and yet as though we weren’t. We all would have beena bit disappointed if our theories had been right, so they kept of guessing up until the last moment. Which was a let down.

You just have to remember the show never gave definite answers so you can’t expect answers in the finale. Your wants are many, your dreams are futile and none are ever the expected result, thats my motto

says to me the finale will make sense in all its plot lines. No dice. Who’re the Lords of Kobol? Head Baltar & Head Six? They gave us enough rope to tie it up any way we wanted. Bad writing if you ask me.

I see wheut I think re your coming from, and for the most part, the ending was alright. But I think Kara being an angel was a bit of a cop out. The show has been pretty clear with answers before this. I mean, think about it, we know alot of stuff. The final five, the orgin of the colonies and cylons.

I understand that Apolo would want to give up on technology because they did not have the resources. But, why didn’t they tell us this? I guess my bigger problem was that everyone sort of said “Okay Let’s give up technology”. If not all people didn’t give up on technology, why dint they tell us that they gave up on technology?

You know, they would’ve had to give up on technology eventually anyway. Think about it: how many of us would be able to make a computer. How many computer engineers do you suppose survived the death of the colonies? The closest the colonials had was Gaeta, and he was executed. Baltar knows a thing or two about programming, but I bet he wouldn’t be able to put together a calculator, let alone a computer. They were frakked either way as far as tech goes, why not just get back to nature? Maybe Jean Jaques Rousseau and Henry David Thoreau were colonials! :wink:

As to open endings being lazy writing, I say PHOOEY! Open endings are cool. Life doesn’t give us neat little packages with beginnings, middles and ends. Fiction usually does, but open endings are a way for fiction to immitate life a little bit more accurately while preserving the reason we read fiction in the first place.

Besides, no one said Kara was an angel. She just vanished. And we’re never given an explanation of what the angelic characters actually are, which is ambiguous enough to satisfy my agnostic self. (As to God’s identity, I think it’s Ron Moore.) The Lords of Kobol were just the civilization of the first cycle. Head Baltar pretty much spells it out in the epilogue to the finale (which I otherwise don’t think stays true to the tone of the show, but his answer to Head Six’ “remind you of anything?” is very important in answering the question of the LOK’s identity).

I agree Armando. In my mind there were two catagories of questions that needed answering: 1) what was the back story and motivation of the cylons, and 2) what’s up with all the mystical stuff? As Emily stated they did a good job tying up the cylon questions, which I think will get even more fleshed out in The Plan movie. Regarding the mystical stuff, I think it was handled to my satisfaction too. Given the nature of the show, any concrete explanation of who or what the mystical ‘entity’ was, IMO risks coming off as cheesy. However, by giving us a the first clear indication that the mystical was real in the show at the end, it allows us to go back and reinterpret previous events while still allowing speculation involving the apparently supernatural events. If those events were explained in too much detail they would no longer be supernatural and therefore negate what was a major theme of the show throughout its run…

Indeed. I recently started re-watching BSG and I was struck by how much “Six Degrees of Separation,” a season one episode that never did much for me before, felt now that I know that Head Six is really an “angel.” The question of Shelley Godfrey’s whereabouts, which seemed like something left hanging before, now seems clearer considering that, quite likely, Head Six did assume corporeal form to torment Gaius and make a spiritual point.

Or not. See, that’s the beauty of how the mystical has been handled in the show, IMO.

I haven’t done a rewatch yet (I’m waiting for the 4.5 DVD – but I guess I could start now? It’s release is only a month away) – but I’m reminded of Home Part II. After being kinda upset over Daybreak, I’m starting to realize you can’t really say that the mystical elements of the show haven’t been in place from the start – the way to Earth being revealed in the Tomb of Athena, where everybody suddenly gets transported to Earth. It was never explained, and I always assumed it was advanced technology, or a holodeck trick or something – now it can be explained as a miracle of some sort… which at least ties with the finale. I’m not so sure the “lazy writing” excuse works anymore.