Kara's End

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#1

It was such a lame cop out - “an angel did it”. That’s nearly as bad as saying they were all dreaming all along; I mean lets face it it’s not even that far off from a dream. She wasn’t there, it was all in your head. That’s not mysterious, that’s not thought provoking. It’s just plain dumb.

I love how the show finely walked the line between spirituality and atheism, how it weaved plot lines together so that they could be interpreted according to ones own views. Was someone just manipulating Baltar, or is it God? But just flat out having Kara disappear into thin air has one, absolutely moronic explanation.

You could even see hints of a decent storyline they were obviously considering - the whole Daniel thing that everyone was speculating on (was she the original hybrid?? -though that’d kinda ruin the Hera storyline- was she Daniel with “corrupted DNA”?). Then I bet some idiot studio exec butted in at the last moment, or maybe the producers got cold feet, I don’t know. All I know is they ended up giving an obvious and irritating nod to “angels” that was far less subtle than the rest of the tone of the show, and gave it a thoroughly disappointing feel.

It just left the whole Lee Adama/Kara thread unresolved. Leaves a stale taste after a fine wine.

#2

You better watch out. They don’t like being told the truth around here. If you don’t have happy happy joy joy thoughts about the show some people call you names.

Whispering “the ending was not good”, “I would secretly say up untill they actually landed on Earth the ending was fine, but after that it was just a major let down.”

I was left feeling jaded, but now that I have had time to chill out, I realized something. Your post tells what I realized better than I could have.

Well maybe in years to come I may grow to like the ending but for now I will keep my thoughts on it to myself, least the poo slingers come out to play.

Thank You

#3

Truth all depends on your own point of view. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Art is subjective; There is no truth other than what you yourself make of it.

#4

Samantha, I hope this isn’t the case and especially feel badly if you have experienced this. The community isn’t about being happy happy joy joy, it is about having a place for having an educated discussion and debate without it degenerating into warfare.

Usual forums
Poster A: I like Star Trek V
Poster B: You are a dumbass

GWC forum
Poster A: I like Star Trek V
Poster B: Really? Tell me why

This is what we strive for and encourage. Hopefully what you experienced was isolated and the exception. :slight_smile:

#5

I was about to say something too…
Thanks for beating me to it Solai.

#6

The problem is, that is the truth. I voiced an opinion or two several times and was severally thrashed. Oh well serves me right after all, I didn’t agree with others I guess. So now if I post anything I try to put a upbeat twist on it so as to not anger those who shall not be named. I am sorry but we all don’t agree all the time but to tear any opinion down that goes against your own is just plain mean. I am sorry but I learned to keep my head down and say very little now. I know that most on here are not that way but just like I learned in school “do a good job and maybe 1 person will be told, do a bad job and at least 10 people will be told for sure”. What does that mean, it is not the good people that stand out but the monsters that are remembered.

#7

I can appreciate what your saying about the Lee and Kara story line misterP. My take was that the flashbacks showed us that Lee’s and Kara’s relationship was intangible due to her relationship with his brother Zack. That doesn’t make up for the poof she’s gone, but gives reason behind it. The angel part…well… I figured that since Leoben called her a angel in the first seasons “Flesh and Blood” that he was telling her the truth about her destiny.

#8

Can I interject here? Since Ron Moore said that they had no ideal about what they where saying and let the story evolve as it fell naturally. How can you see the Kara story line as ending proper?

#9

Then I apologize for that behavior, and I am sorry you feel like you have to modify your behavior. One’s opinion is there’s. I don’t want to try and make up excuses, but given the passion of the fanbase twisted with the finale I am sure there are many who needed an outlet for their emotion.

This does not excuse nor does it pardon. I personally hope you stick around and see that this community is far better than this hopefully relatively isolated incident.

#10

Because they had no idea. If you told me they were going to do that beforehand, I’d have called it lame. But at the time, it just felt right. What else were they going to do?

#11

I’m really sorry feel like you can’t speak your mind. I can honestly say this is the friendliest forum I’ve ever been a part of and have never had an experience like the one you described. Please feel free to speak your mind - I always do even when my opinion isn’t popular.

#12

I didn’t have a problem with that one. I probably would have also liked an ending where Lee and Kara go off into the sunset, but I was ok with what we got. It probably makes more sense than the hearts and flowers ending anyway. And, I think they had been leading up to it. We know that she dies, and suddenly appears again. From where? How? Even she doesn’t know what she is. She finds her own dead body on the nuked out planet. How can she be anything but something spiritual (as in of the spirit world)? I hesitate to use the word “angel”, but whatever she was had a purpose, and it had been served. This is a fictional universe we’re talking about, where the hand of “god” plays a part in daily life for so many of our characters. Why not Kara?

#13

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I am sorry you feel that way, I really am.

I must I have “grapped” on the show countless of times. I went even as far as saying once they never should have made season 4.5 and I think I called Star Trek TMP a failure in a debate at some point the other day.

However you are more than entitled to you opinion.

#14

Yeah, you might get people disagreeing with you, but hopefully it’s an actual disagreement, and not a “you are stupid.”

Feel free to call them on it if you think it’s the latter. The bulk of GWCers are really decent folk, but misunderstandings are easy to get into in a text-only medium. Heck, I get into them all the time with The GF, and we’re talking face-to-face. (Well, usually.)

#15

misterP, I forgot to say welcome to the forums!:slight_smile: I hope that you like it here and stay a while. I just got here not so long ago too. The posters here are some of the most decent and open to others that I’ve been around.

#16

Perhaps it’s because I’ve always been pretty open (even expecting) a literal Hand of God(s) in the series that Kara’s ultimate disappearance doesn’t bother me. It does pique the frak out of my interest, but it doesn’t bother me (particularly given Maelstrom et al that Apollymy mentions).

S.W.A., I’m sorry that you have felt yourself stifled and hope that you’ll spend more time around the Forum (though I’ve read a lot more of you lately ;)) and find yourself feeling less so.

#17

they threaded the whole show with angel/god references. I’m not so sure they had no idea whatsoever, no matter what they said. I think the show was rushed to conclusion–what with Daniel, the Ionian Nebula, other things left undone. One more season and I likely would have bought the god cop-out storyline which, it seems to me, really had to be the way it turned out. It could not have been an illusion or a program without some changes and additions.

#18

Re the Daniel thing. I think it was merely a retcon to explain the twelve/five/ Number Eight thing. The Abel bit was a nice touch.

#19

Well the Daniel thing had to be done to cover there screw up with making Sharon an 8. However I did read that RDM said he was the biggest fiasco of the show.

You know I can nit pick it to death, and many here might had seen me do just that, but I will cut them some slack. I think the writers’ strike hurt the ending. But that is life.

#20

I think I could have swallowed the Kara-as-Angel ending a lot better if there would just have been some more explanation, because I think that explanation would not only have been badass - what was the mechanism, (otherworldly or otherwise) that recreated not only her but her viper and clothes?! - but would also have been completely in line with the rest of the show in the way it took aspects and themes that appear in other scifi and fantasy and explore them for fully and intelligently than has been done before. The viper is what really did it for me - angels are one thing, but what the frak recreated the viper? I know, the same forces, but come on, it was such an important element in the beginning of the 4.0 storyline to not get fleshed out.