In the Defense of the Starship Troopers Movie...

I was recently listening to some of the previous podcasts and was shocked when I heard a great deal of hate towards Paul Verhooven’s rendition of Starship Troopers. How could it be that defenders of such camp classics as Xena and Transformers thumb their noses at what has to be one of the most insane social commentaries that ever countermanded it’s source material?

I first read Starship Troopers when I was 13 and was blown away by the action and the intensity of the events of the book. So when I heard that a movie was being made of it, I had to see it opening weekend. The movie was nothing like the book, but I appreciated it’s campiness. Eventually, I wasn’t impressed by said camp and turned away from the movie. Then I re-read the book and fell in love with Heinlein’s work. Then one day I found it on Instant Watch on my DVR and decided to show it to my girlfriend at the time. It was on that viewing that I fully realized what Verhooven was doing. And I realized that this is one of the best satires ever made.

First off, it needs to be said that Verhooven either doesn’t like the intent of the source material or completely hates it. The novel was straight-forward in it’s politics and how it sees the military as the arm of this fascistic world. Rico comes from privilage in both the book and the film. Heinlein sees Rico as the earnest young man setting out to become something. Verhooven sees Rico as a stupid boy who doesn’t know what he’s getting himself into, pretty much joining up to stay close to his girlfriend. Heinlein shows the world of the future to be one of efficiency and strict class structure. Verhooven sees this as a facsade to hide the fact that the military is pretty much running everything. Notice how all members of the ruling class wear uniforms not unlike military officers. Verhooven uses a trick he learned in RoboCop, news and advertising features to expand this concept. Propaganda is in every frame conveying that someone else is taking care of the problem but you need to help out. And this is before the bugs.

You can tell that Heinlein was interested in using the boot camp to show his political positions, considering how much of the book details rules, structure, and the way of things. Verhooven isn’t interested in such things except to convey a pre-crisis system as a counterpoint to the way the system will behave once the bug attack happens. Heinlein uses the bug attack as a means to show off the lessons learned, a trial by fire. Verhooven considers the bug attack as a means to shed the fascade. Watch how the news shows veer drastically from playful reminders to do your part to a new more aggressive approach, making the war effort a political tool. When the first engagement occurs and humans are torn apart on live camera, notice how the media is still conveying the party line.

Now let’s look at the enemy; the bugs. Heinlein doesn’t give them a name because the enemy wasn’t important for his intentions. Verhooven uses the name both to convey the expected simplicity of their defeat (when you think of the word, you’re usually thinking of nothing larger than a cochroach) and the obsurdity of the threat. At best, this was a territory dispute concerning Fort Joseph Smith. Verhooven leads us to believe that the humans were simply using the bugs as means to rally humanity towards a cause. What they were not expecting was a real fight on their hands.

In a way, Verhooven was using Heinlein’s own work against him. He was making a dark satire in the same vein as RoboCop, except that after 9/11, Verhooven appears to have stumbled however unintentionally onto universal truths about political powers and the exploitation of tragedies. He seemed to convey a Bush America almost 4 years prior, showing a military where the leaders are incompetent and cowardly, gladly sending young men and women to their deaths for reasons that are not very clear. If Heinlein was presenting his ideal of what the perfect future will be, Verhooven turned it into an Orwellian dystopia.

Starship Troopers was ‘Robocop’ with nukes and spaceships, the same dark humor and violence are in both. The seemingly benign totalitarian government with its over the top propaganda plastered across the media was not a comment on existing governments I believe, but rather a comment on what could be if society did not wake up to what was going on around them.

I was annoyed at first that power-armor was not in the movie, but latter came to appreciate what they had done. The lack of power-armor made the characters more vulnerable, and ratcheted up the tension. I liked the contrast between the sterile video game like combat of the navy versus the gritty and in your face action of the ground warfare. In the end I really enjoyed the first feature, and even appreciated what they attempted to do with the second film. But the third in the series was pretty hard to watch even with Jolene Blalock in it, and the CGI power-suits in the finale were not worth the wait at all.

The first film sits proudly among my ‘guilty favorites’, esspecially because of the many guest stars seeded throughout it from other SF and fantasy films and even TV.

I have never seen the sequels because I was told they weren’t very good. But I do think that the propaganda was conceptionalized and inspired by World War II propaganda. They even have an announcer just like the Movietone News Reels of the 40s. Starship Troopers takes those exaggerated slogans and newsreels to the logical next step by making the sacrifices look so easy. And then there was that hilarious “Do Your Part” section where they asked for kids to stomp on local pests.

I think it was fortunate that I saw the movie without having read the book, if only so I couldnt draw the inevitable, unfair comparisons between the different media. Besides the boobs, guns and bugs that were so great (even if in a campy sort of way) I really enjoyed the commentary on the naivete and hormonal conflicts of youth and manipulation by media and government via propaganda (hysterically exaggerated as it was). Still a fun action movie even if you ignore message.

I agree 100% with your original post. The problem is though that, what was made isn’t Starship Troopers. That’s where the dislike comes from in my mind

Also the…3rd? Movie, Marauder is so good. So so good. It’s got power armor (Well more like baby mechs), Johnny Rico is back, AND:

//youtu.be/KIsv1YOFNys

Also to see the mechs in action

//youtu.be/3xv1_beA0ns
skip ahead to 1:30 though and mute the volume cause the song used is terribad

Yeah, they were originally riffing on the book, and only later got the rights. That’s why it doesn’t seem true to the original.

Fortunately, there was a decent adaptation.

//youtu.be/pcfpzfPdx-U

I saw this movie again for the first time in a VERY long time and - I gotta say - it’s really bad. Not the story or how it compares to the book or anything - just the acting is BAD.

I actually prefered the animated series over the movie in many respects, it allowed them to do bigger and better things with a lower budget. And it had a stronger military SF vibe to it.

I am both a big fan of the movie and the book. I haven’t seen the animated series because the animation looked really cheap, but I might give it a shot on Instant Watch.

And the acting is incredibly horrible and during that point in which I didn’t like the movie, a big factor was the acting. But when I watched it the last few times, I realized that the acting was intentionally bad (except for Michael Ironside, he’s simply The Man) because Verhooven doesn’t want you to connect to these characters. He is ultimately making a dark comedy and the worst thing to do in such cases is to care about characters that will get their brains sucked out by smart bugs.

I guess you can say that Starship Troopers doesn’t have much in cool appeal except for the aforementioned Ironside and Clancy Brown’s Sgt. Zimm and some decent nudity, but the same could be said of movies like Rocky Horror. I guess maybe, if only to me, I find it hillarious that the movie flogged it’s source material with it’s own words. The only thing more insane would be if Steven Speilberg were to adapt Mein Kampf.

He did, he just called it Schindler’s List

Bazinga

I watched a couple episodes of this animated series. I liked it — and I think I even liked in on it’s own terms, even though I’m a huge fan of the Starship Troopers book.

I notice in that clip they show the M.I. drop suits and they show a drop from space.
That was something seriously missing from the Verhooven movie.

I need to get my hands on a copy of the book and read it again with an adult mind, the first time I found it was sometime back in middle school. I do, however, remember and love they way they describe the moment in boot camp when one of the cadets starts to learn to play bagpipes. It was something to the effect of

It sounded like someone had taken and angry wet cat, held it upside down, and started biting on its tail.

Which is not a direct quote, and while I love bagpipes, I love the description of somebody learning how to play and it sounding terrible.

Dudes… that is horrible nudity. Dizzie is one of the worst looking naked professional actresses to ever try to mascarade as hot! There were no boobs there… there were nipples on ribs!

Well, she is playing a marine. Gotta remember this is pre-Stargate Universe, female infantry had realistic sized chests back then! :smiley:

First off, I am a fan of au naturale and am rather tired of the soft-porn fakes you find in your average low-rate Sci-Fi flick. So what if the cup is on the shallow end, especially since Dizzy is supposed to be the best-buddy type of chick anyway. If she were playing the smokin hot temptress, I might agree.

Secondly, I didn’t say awesome or even good, merely decent. The co-ed shower scene had a few good boobs (I can see that slogan in some ads right now in the movie).

Here’s a better-worded evaluation of the movie via The A.V. Club: http://www.avclub.com/articles/starship-troopers,41966/

I love the movie. It’s not even a guilty pleasure, because I don’t feel guilty at all for liking campy movies. Haven’t seen the sequels, haven’t read the book. Been meaning to read the book though.

But yeah, the movie is at least 10 different kinds of awesome.

I’ve always enjoyed the movie.

I want to call it a guilty pleasure, but I will completely admit that I enjoyed it, so that doesn’t really make it a guilty pleasure.

Starship Troopers rocks. I’ve watched this movie a hundred times, at least. I didn’t have cable for about 3 years. I have also drank beer at the area they filmed part of it at here in Wyoming. It’s called Hell’s Half Acre and it’s an apt description, it’s literally in the middle of nowhere, it’s kinda pretty country though. Plus “The Kurgan”, Clancy Brown, kicks ass in whatever he’s in.

Dina Meyer is damn Hot. From 90210, Dragon Heart, Johnny Mnemonic to Starship Troopers- She’s HOT…