I watched the pilot...

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#21

Exactly-- you can’t weigh the pilot episode down with that kind of baggage. Tedious = Unwatchable, which is certain death to a pilot.

I think you could argue that nudity is the vital information. When a group of people, especially teenagers, embrace nudity and sexuality to that extent, before they’re even of age, it says something about that particular society… without words.

Nope. This is where the mystery goes. The fun of the show is the exposition of the mystery. If BSG emphasised the exposition, we’d have airlocked Ellen in the first season.

Besides: we already know what happens when you pack an episode full of exposition. You get something called No Exit. I don’t think anybody wants that :eek:

EDIT: I just thought of something else… I remember a previous thread that talked about which episode to start a BSG virgin on, to get them hooked on the show… I think I said the miniseries… but a lot of people disagreed, and said to start them off with 33. I wonder if we’ll be saying the same thing about Caprica.

#22

The thing thinks I didn’t write anything : )

#23

I thought that he had a selfish side that realized immediatly that the “daughter” program would help his larry work right. I didn’t get that he was JUST doing it for twisted , but noble reasons. I got that it was more about makeing Larry work than anything!

#24

That’s what I thought.
Also, I think Greystone’s arrogance will lead him to believe he has control over this next phase of “cylon” evolution.
He will be wrong.

#25

I got four paragraphs into a rant defending Jean-Paul Sartre’s play No Exit (Huis Clos) and blasting you for interpreting it as all exposition when it’s really all character study…

…when I realized you were referring to the BSG episode “No Exit,” where Ellen infodumps for 42 minutes.

I’m glad I figured that out before I made a fool of myself.

Those pesky literary references!

#26

Heh. I’ve teetered on that edge a couple times. If it seems like a person is being deliberately obtuse, you might want to run a google search.

#27

Some people…
Nietzsche>Sartre

#28

good advise for life as well as forums…:slight_smile:

#29

Haha! Too bad – all that effort wasted. I prolly even would have enjoyed reading it. I love a good rant.

I edited the post with a link to the BSG Wiki… I’ll endeavor to be more “acute” next time.

#30

Finally watched it. Dug it the most, baby. Not sure what’s with the haters, but to each their own.

#31

is obviously different. What we saw let us know how.

This sets the stage for the kind of moral issues BSG did well. I am looking forward to Caprica tackling some large issues.

I thought Greystone put Zoe in the machine to make it work, too. I also thought he was turning her on and off as was indicated by the presence or absence of the red eye versus the yellow eye–as if to perk up the demonstration when things weren’t going well. If so, a Zoe-free cylon is an inferior one, still. If he can’t replicate her into them the whole thing might fail for him.

That’s a kind of slavery–and a replicated one–and slavery of one’s daughter, sort of.

Several have complained about the age of Zoe, nudity and sex in the show These things don’t bother me–they imply their opposite to me. I think it shows even a polytheistic society with a healthy sexual attitude can go wrong (in real life there was the old cult of Dionysos, for instance) and that Caprican society has gone corrupt in terms of its values.

Greystone’s use of his daughter (for we know she is real) as if she is a thing is a sign of such. At least, he is enslaving a sentient being for the purpose of war. We don’t know Zoe wanted to do the demo. Enslavement of the Cylons was a theme in BSG and it looks like as it returns we might even see the start of the Clyon war.

Um, this is a gonna be a good show!

#32

So, being the cheapskate that I am (hey, I’m a composer. I make peanuts. Sometimes, literally!) I had to wait till SciFi (excuse me, SyFy) decided to serendipituously (cause I had no idea this was happening) post the pilot on their web site to see it. So, I watched it last night. AND…well, I for one think it’s awesome and am looking forward to the new series.

So there.

:slight_smile:

#33

Thanks for your thot’s 64kCylon. Although I did enjoy the pilot, I had not thought of the things you mentioned. This will give me a new persepctive as I watch again when it airs this weekend.

#34

I should’ve read this before posting. You’re so right! The thing that struck me is how much the fact that, when the Final Five arrived at the colonies, they would, indeed, be impressed by the centurions’ monotheism, of course that monotheism comes from Zoe, the first centurion.

This IS going to be a good show.

#35

meaning, sir. I’ve never been sure enough of the chronology of the show (not for lack of trying!) to be sure if the Five would intersect with Caprica or not.

I’m counting days for this show.

#36

Well, the opening said “Caprica: 58 years before the fall.” Meaning, of course, 58 years before the Cylon attack. Since we know that was 40 years after the end of the First Cylon War, and that the First Cylon War had been going on for, what, 12 years by the time Bill Adama flew his first mission on what turned out to be the last operation of the war, and we also know that the Final Five arrived at more or less that point and brought the conflict to an end by promising to give the centurions the technology for developing biological bodies and resurrection, then it seems likely that, should the show last anywhere from 4-6 seasons, we might see at least the beginning of the First Cylon War. Whether we’d see the FF show up or not probably has as much to do with the actors’ availability and contract negotiations as it does with plot.

But, I doubt we’ll see the First Cylon War actually happen on Caprica.

#37

we won’t. It would be so cool, though. More likely we’ll see a struggle for Zoe-Cylon’s independence as a being. I see her being held back by her father and duplicated for use asa soldier. This duplication, should it be coordinated by Zoe, would make a great uprising and war, but would wreck the timeline.

Man, I’d like to see it that way. Still, we could see cylon tech fail and then start up with Zoe’s secret help, maybe against Tauron resistance.

Still can’t wait.

#38

On the topic of if we’ll see the final five, Ron Moore said in a podcast that we’ll see Danial (aka cylon model #7) in Caprica, though that was before even the dvd release and who knows if they’ll stick to that.

Also, anyone know what scenes are different in the streaming version from the dvd?

#39

Really? All I remember RDM saying about Daniel was how surprised he was that people hung on to that part of “No Exit” as a possible mythology. He just meant it as a quick throwaway line. hmm…

#40

The artistic one. We’d have to see the FF–he didn’t seem to last long. If not, perhaps he’ll push love not war to Zoe-cylon. Perhaps that’s why Cavil got him.

Maybe all this will turn out to be a Robert Palmer video…:smiley: