Maybe she’s still around - in a tub of goo on a basestar or two.
ROTFLMAO
I honesty was being serious. Hilarious that your mind went there.
Yeah - my long deceased parents would be so proud of my gutter mind.
Exactly. Like I said. I have a older bible with pictures of the temple john described. The level of detail in the illustration (which looked similar to the style of drawing we saw in the episode) far outstripped johns simple description and measurements of the temple.
Have you seen the screen cap that shows the interior of the temple? It’s on the Analyze Pictures of Earth thread. Thought first time we saw that was in Revelations, but could be wrong.
TF was being serious. Which shows where our minds are. Sheesh.
Good stuff. The rub here is that Pythia wrote about the 13th Tribe as history - 400 years after it departed. And her drawing of the interior of the temple looks like something out of Commercial Architect Weekly. That hardly rules out your thought, but it still seems pretty fishy to me.
Possibly. Who do we figure drew the aerial view of downtown Kobol City?
Another thing to point out is that the temple picture that apollo looks like is simply a detail blow up of the city of the gods from kobol.
Of course that could be laziness from a production standpoint, but its an easy way to plug a plot hole.
The 3rd temple John described would be a copy of the previous 2 temples.
Perhaps Pythia was just aware that the first thing they’d build when they reached earth was a temple, and they’d be basing on the temple already standing in the city of the gods. In that case no prophecy is even needed. Just tradition.
Why did they build a temple to Aurora, when they worship the god whose name must not be spoken?
They built the temple of five for the five who worship lord volde… i mean the one whose name cannot be spoken. This doesn’t mean it was the end all be all of the 13th colonies religious beliefs. We don’t know anything about how flexible or possibly exclusive they were with their belief systems.
Sure - but if they left Kobol over “that” god - who desired to be placed above all others - and - built a temple to his/her 5 priests on the algae planet - we’re getting pretty close to monotheism - don’t you think? My view may well be too simplistic, but a temple to Aurora, if built (and I think it was) sends us a message. Perhaps when it came to religion, things were not all that peaceful on Earth.
Work with me here CT - something’s fishy.
Then there’s this - Pythia’s comments about the Temple to Aurora MAY (we do not know for sure, but my money is on this point) have been made after it was built (unlike John’s prophecy) just like ALL of her other (known to us) comments about the 13th Tribe are. On the issue of that tribe, she appears to be a historian not a prophet. Maybe it does not do so to anybody else, but this stops me in my tracks.
Well as a baseline we have to assume that at least two religions made it to earth and as you said , things weren’t peaceful. I’m pretty sure the 5 caused those problems and when everything went pear shaped they decided to head to the 12 colonies to see if there was anything going on there… and then helped engineer the first cylon rebellion there.
I wonder if Pythia was a real historical person and if so, where was she from? Was she on Kobol and the book survived? Was it a collection of writings created by the followers of some cult started by Pythia? How long ago was the Book of Pythia written?
A weird thing and I wonder if it was brought up already. How could they have space travel and not recordable media? Instead the journey is recorded in archaic printed material. Why don’t we have recorded sessions of Pythia? Why not even video of the tribes leaving Kobol? We’ve seen D’anna and her film crew and a theatre on Caprica so we know they have video capabilities. Did they have space travel before learning to send a signal? Highly unlikely. Was there a Dark Age where all this data was lost?
That’s an excellent point. Assuming their ancient history is anything like ours, it would be difficult to separate fact from legend. Further complicating matters, much as in our world, some people will believe without question any events detailed in their holy books, while others will deny any actual history if it appears in those books. The reality is probably somewhere in the middle.
One word: PROPHET.
Of course. If you wrote a computer program, would its limitations control your behavior?
Stepping away from the BSG universe…
The existence of a true ‘all-powerful divine being’ is a logical contradiction with a universe with ‘natural laws’. There can be one, or the other, but not both.
That’s what “supernatural” means. An “all-powerful divine being” would, by definition, exist outside of space and time. A universe with a beginning and end must be finite and therefore less than an infinite God. The only logical contradiction is your own argument by lack of imagination.
An omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God, on the other hand, IS logically contradictory to the existence of evil and, therefore, the real world.
Maybe all the gods’ temples look alike?
Welcome.
I would point out that Pythia is a PROPHET in a television series already riddled with characters that see stuff that is not really there. I don’t think it means she’s had to have been to earth. If multiple characters can see solid apparitions of varying kinds, I think a full fledged prophet character could see and describe a building.
Exactly. From the gods’ mouths to her sacred scrolls.
Just as a related existing example, John gives precise measurements for the 3rd temple in the Apocalypse. He’s never been there, but was shown it as a vision, and if you believe that the Apocalypse of St. John is true prophecy (as an atheist i do not) then you believe that that temple will be built there someday. And artists have rendered it in religious books based on St. Johns description as such.
On the other hand, that could be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Whenever (or if, considering where it’s supposed to be) the Temple is rebuilt, surely it will be designed to correlate with the biblical descriptions.
Which drawing are you talking about? Some of those drawings are schematics of the real-world opera house where the scenes are filmed. You don’t need a direct line to the god Apollo when the blueprints are a matter of public record.
Another excellent point.
We’ve been led to assume that this god was originally one of the Lords of Kobol, so presumably his/her worship would be similar to that of the rest. Even if he/she claims to be The One True God. :rolleyes:
We don’t know the nature of humanity on kobol. Even the current fleet isn’t very high tech. I’m assuming what happened on kobol was that more advanced humans or humanoids took up a protector role to the humans there in the guise of gods. I think they were probably kept there in a primitive state unless it was time to go somewhere, they allowed the 13th tribe to leave for an unknown reason, and the 12 other colonies were loaded onto a “galleon” I assume that most of the colonies higher tech was scrounged from the galleon itself.
But Badger, my old contrarian, except that Pythia’s writings about the 13th Tribe APPEAR (I’ll admit it) to be from a historical perspective of 400 years.
Maybe all the gods’ temples look alike?
You don’t believe that for a second.
Which drawing are you talking about? Some of those drawings are schematics of the real-world opera house where the scenes are filmed. You don’t need a direct line to the god Apollo when the blueprints are a matter of public record.
The one’s on GR’s thread re analysis of scenes from Revelations. The one that appears to have Lee’s thumb on it.
Well in this case I do because we’ve seen that the temple Lee and Starbuck were talking about is identical to the temple in the city of the gods on kobol.
The Wiki site has a good review. If correct, yes she was and she wrote in the scrolls 400 years after the 13th Tribe departed for Earth. Her comments about “them” appear to be historical and her other comments prophetic.