How did Pythia know there was a Temple of Aurora on Earth?

[Old_Timer]

It’s a question that popped up on another thread. Lee A. discusses it at the start of Revelations.

Like everyone else, presumably, Pythia lost track of the 13 Tribe after they left Kobol for Earth 2,000 years before the other 12 Tribes left. So, how the heck did he/she learn this?

Is there more here than meets the eye at first glance.

And just who was and what happened to Pythia? When did he/she live? For how long? Where? Was he/she human or Cylon?

I also asked on the other thread, although I do not think this one is going anywhere, is Pythia the FC - but in the guise of a character “we” recognize?

[Old_Timer]

It’s a question that popped up on another thread. Lee A. discusses it at the start of Revelations.

Like everyone else, presumably, Pythia lost track of the 13 Tribe after they left Kobol for Earth 2,000 years before the other 12 Tribes left. So, how the heck did he/she learn this?

Is there more here than meets the eye at first glance.

And just who was and what happened to Pythia? When did he/she live? For how long? Where? Was he/she human or Cylon?

I also asked on the other thread, although I do not think this one is going anywhere, is Pythia the FC - but in the guise of a character “we” recognize?

And what does the building of the Temple of Aurora on Earth do to the whole notion of the 13th Tribe and its five priests worshipping the god who must not be named, that put himself above all others/ was a jealous god - if they all are the same god? Where’s the Temple for “that” god?

[brendon]

Presumably someone would have had to return from the 13th Colony in order to write about the journey to Earth and describe places there.

From the episode “Hand of God.”
Roslin: Who is Pythia?
Elosha: One of the oracles in the Sacred Scrolls. 3,600 years ago. Pythia wrote about the exile and rebirth of the human race.

[Old_Timer]

Presumably someone would have had to return from the 13th Colony in order to write about the journey to Earth and describe places there.

From the episode “Hand of God.”
Roslin: Who is Pythia?
Elosha: One of the oracles in the Sacred Scrolls. 3,600 years ago. Pythia wrote about the exile and rebirth of the human race.

OK - but then how can the existence and location of Earth have been such a big darn secret and why did/do so many humans think it was nothing but myth?

[brendon]

OK - but then how can the existence and location of Earth have been such a big darn secret and why did/do so many humans think it was nothing but myth?

Mostly because until recent events the colonies had no real proof that these places and events were real. In 3,000 years a lot can be forgotten, lost, destroyed what have you.

The Bible is quite specific about the path that the Hebrews took on their flight from Egypt. But if you ask ten different Bible scholars or archaeologist to point to a map today and show the path the Hebrews followed, you will most likely get ten different answers.

[Old_Timer]

Mostly because until recent events the colonies had no real proof that these places and events were real. In 3,000 years a lot can be forgotten, lost, destroyed what have you.

The Bible is quite specific about the path that the Hebrews took on their flight from Egypt. But if you ask ten different Bible scholars or archaeologist to point to a map today and show the path the Hebrews followed, you will most likely get ten different answers.

OK, but whoever came from Earth to relate to Pythia or whomever (assuming it wasn’t Pythia him/herself galavanting around the galaxy, while handwriting and drawing his/her observations on a “scroll”) what the 13th Tribe had built there didn’t walk. We would have to have a technologically advanced society here, if your thought is accurate, with FTL capability, computers, you name it. That would seem to make for real proof about was going on on Earth that would not have simply been forgottern.

The whole thing seems real fishy to me. For Pythia to know that the 13th Tribe built a temple to Aurora on Earth seems to require an explanation other than somebody traveled from Earth way back when to pass along the news to the humans still on Kobol or on the 12 Colonies. And then, despite the advanced technology that would require, the information became lost in the sands of time.

[Cassiopia]

You also have to remember that histories, including bibles/korans/insertreligiousbookofyourchoicehere, are written by the winners, and edited throughout the ages to reflect the wants, beliefs, or propaganda of whomever is in power. The losers are maligned, minimized, or forgotten - along with all of their beliefs and technologies and histories.

It’s like the telephone game only longer, slower, and with more at stake.

Pythia=Python=snake - not an historically trustworthy stereotype/metaphor

Remember that Christians beleive a snake caused the loss of innocence and the eviction of Adam and Eve from Eden. Perhaps Pythia has done the same thing over and over again to the humans and the cylons and is not someone to be trusted.

[Old_Timer]

You also have to remember that histories, including bibles/korans/insertreligiousbookofyourchoicehere, are written by the winners, and edited throughout the ages to reflect the wants, beliefs, or propaganda of whomever is in power. The losers are maligned, minimized, or forgotten - along with all of their beliefs and technologies and histories.

It’s like the telephone game only longer, slower, and with more at stake.

Pythia=Python=snake - not an historically trustworthy stereotype/metaphor

Remember that Christians beleive a snake caused the loss of innocence and the eviction of Adam and Eve from Eden. Perhaps Pythia has done the same thing over and over again to the humans and the cylons and is not someone to be trusted.

Well, that’s an interesting point. He/she may also be the “higher power” that some contributors believe is essential to the story line without necessarily being a true higher power. Perhaps an “immortal” Cylon. Perhaps the FC.

In any event, I want to know how somebody that presumably had not been to Earth and was writing about a tribe that appears to have escaped from a world that they did not want and did not want them knew what that Tribe was building on Earth. I dont’ buy interstellar travel between Earth and the 12Colonies after the latter were settled (that’s when Pythia had to have written his/her works, because they cover that time period) that subsequently was “forgotten”. So either it’s a script “mishap” or something fairly big.

[Cassiopia]

Well, that’s an interesting point. He/she may also be the “higher power” that some contributors believe is essential to the story line without necessarily being a true higher power. Perhaps an “immortal” Cylon. Perhaps the FC.

In any event, I want to know how somebody that presumably had not been to Earth and was writing about a tribe that appears to have escaped from a world that they did not want and did not want them knew what that Tribe was building on Earth. I dont’ buy interstellar travel between Earth and the 12Colonies after the latter were settled (that’s when Pythia had to have written his/her works, because they cover that time period) that subsequently was “forgotten”. So either it’s a script “mishap” or something fairly big.

Interstellar communications link?

[The_Alpaca_Herder]

Interstellar communications link?

If so, it would be one heckuva lost bit of tech. It also would violate Blinovitch Limitation Effect as it would just be too darned convenient. Early FTL might make more sense, I suppose.

Then again, this does bring up the issue as to whether or not the characters have a “correct” knowledge of their history either.

[Old_Timer]

Interstellar communications link?

So why did they stop communicating?

[Old_Timer]

If so, it would be one heckuva lost bit of tech. It also would violate Blinovitch Limitation Effect as it would just be too darned convenient. Early FTL might make more sense, I suppose.

Then again, this does bring up the issue as to whether or not the characters have a “correct” knowledge of their history either.

How would Pythia claim to know ANYTHING that happened on Earth? Even if incorrect?

This one bums me out.

[Casilda]

Then again, this does bring up the issue as to whether or not the characters have a “correct” knowledge of their history either.

How awesome would it be (narratively) if they’ve been following this “prophecy” and believing in their version of history only to find that none of it is true. Of course, the whole Earth as a bombed out piece of crap throws a wrench in their self-constructed narrative… what if there never was a 13th tribe? What if the Cylons are the 13th tribe?

Yeah that’s pure speculation.

[Cassiopia]

So why did they stop communicating?

Chaos theory?

Civilizations build themselves up and then destroy themselves over and over again over millenia.

[Cassiopia]

How would Pythia claim to know ANYTHING that happened on Earth? Even if incorrect?

This one bums me out.

Either Pythia came from Earth. Or some sort of messenger returned from Earth with news of the 13th tribe.

[Old_Timer]

How awesome would it be (narratively) if they’ve been following this “prophecy” and believing in their version of history only to find that none of it is true. Of course, the whole Earth as a bombed out piece of crap throws a wrench in their self-constructed narrative… what if there never was a 13th tribe? What if the Cylons are the 13th tribe?

Yeah that’s pure speculation.

But it’s an idea that’s in play. Their 5 priests certainly line up with the FF, if not the rest of the Tribe.

But - WHY WAS PYTHIA WRITING ABOUT WHAT THE 13TH BUILT ON EARTH? It makes NO sense!!!

[Cassiopia]

How awesome would it be (narratively) if they’ve been following this “prophecy” and believing in their version of history only to find that none of it is true. Of course, the whole Earth as a bombed out piece of crap throws a wrench in their self-constructed narrative… what if there never was a 13th tribe? What if the Cylons are the 13th tribe?

Yeah that’s pure speculation.

It could very well be. The Cylons are the 13th tribe returning from Earth after it was destroyed by civil conflicts. It would explain how the Larry’s had such sudden huge technological advances. And why they are on the run from the RIS Cylons.

[Cassiopia]

But it’s an idea that’s in play. Their 5 priests certainly line up with the FF, if not the rest of the Tribe.

But - WHY WAS PYTHIA WRITING ABOUT WHAT THE 13TH BUILT ON EARTH? It makes NO sense!!!

Well maybe it was just normal to build a temple to Athena whenever you settled in a new place.

[Old_Timer]

Chaos theory?

Civilizations build themselves up and then destroy themselves over and over again over millenia.

That they do. Let’s consider this. It was not by accident that this temple on Earth led off Revelations - or that a small “statue” of Aurora figures prominently in the background.

[Casilda]

But - WHY WAS PYTHIA WRITING ABOUT WHAT THE 13TH BUILT ON EARTH? It makes NO sense!!!

Well maybe it was just normal to build a temple to Athena whenever you settled in a new place.

If it is truly “revelation” from an all-powerful divine being, distance wouldn’t matter in terms of transmitting information. Now, if said divine being isn’t all-powerful, or if it’s technological/mechanical, we have problems. (JAJA I just got an image in my head of those can and string phones threaded throughout the universe…)

Perhaps this “Temple of Aurora” is really the Temple of the Jealous God (ignoring the whole idea of the 13th tribe doesn’t exist bit), which the Colonials/Pythia misidentify.

Or… whoever built it believes Aurora is the Jealous God, and therefore will worship Starbuck. Meaning Starbuck is the Final Cylon? the 13th cylon or whatever she is?

This is totally the typing version of thinking out loud.