Heros discussion for 12/3 episode (spoilers)

After checking the who will get killed poll, I saw how many people picked Niki.
I have to admit, I won’t miss her, but I will miss Nathan.

How 'bout the irony of Adam getting boxed? I had picked him and Maya to die, and I was sorta right. So, everyone, what do we think? Personally I’m glad this chapter is over. The Company does indeed seem to be the real danger, though their leadership numbers are down. Anyone have a clue what Angela’s power is?

No idea what Angela’s power is, other than having ice running through her veins. I was blown away both by Nathan’s death (apparent?) and Hiro’s sadistic punishment of Adam/Kensei. Nikki? I was surprised but, like you, I don’t think I’ll miss her (but I’m also not sure she’s dead). I wish Maya had died, but hey, at least Alejandro is gone. Maybe that tragedy will help her character be more interesting. I did like Peter as a villain, though, even if he was an unwitting one, and I think Sylar is scarier without powers than with them.

On the Sylar part, definately Armando.

I saw the Nikki one coming, but I thought it would be the virus. I also loved the ‘death’ of Adam/Kensei an eternity stuck in a coffin, even if he can’t find a way to kill himself he’ll go nuts by the time anyone finds him. Brilliant. I just wish we had another 9 eps. or however many would make a regular season.

Well it’s about time Nikki died, never liked her. I almost cheered when Sylar killed Maya. Damn you Mohinder for saving her, damn you to hell. He’s really starting to annoy me. First he betrays Noah and now he saves her.

At last Heroes is back. Nathan’s death knocked the wind out of me…misdirection at its finest…although, I can’t help but think “Hey Peter…quickly inject some of your blood in your brother, you have been hanging around Adam and the Cheerleader, you have their power.”

I really liked the Adam character…or perhaps I really like that actor. Never seen him before but he immediately drew me in, I couldn’t help but like him. I thought Hiro’s choice was a good one in his disposal, but in the long run Adam can escape as long as that is a wood coffin. He has nothing but time so he could technically scratch his way out. If/when he runs out of air, does he die? Will he be in a perpetual state of death as his body will have to continuously repair the oxygen depleted body?

Niki…cya. Ironically in her final bow we finally learn what her superpower is: Strength. “I’m no longer strong” she says to Micah. Well, the writers never quite figured out what to do with you…so, fare thee well.

Sorry for the meandering thoughts here. Mostly stream of conciousness. Overall, excellent episode…back on track. The only negative is Sylar getting his powers back. I predict once again this will become a problem for the writers as he slips into the Superman paradox: How do you keep a character interesting when they are impossible to beat? I am not interested in Sylar as super-villan. As an intellectual mind-fraker I think he is awesome.

Solai, you bring up a good point. Will Adam die? I personally doubt it, but as I said before it would be Hell. Imagine being stuck in a confined wooden box for 20, 30, 50, 100 years; all alone. I know I’d go nuts.

Well, that coffin was spacious and very well lit…

Anyone else voting for Mohinder to die? He is ok but he is just so stupid and gullible.

Seriously. I think the slow start would have ultimately paid off. The biggest mistake this season was introducing the virus so late in the game. Had that been in play from the very beginning I don’t think folks would’ve complained as much.

Well, there’s still Maya and Alejandro, but at least one of them’s not around anymore. God I hated those characters!

Indeed. Sylar was much better when he was manipulating Maya, and THAT would’ve been an interesting combination: the girl who can kill with a thought and the guy who controls her. Much, much scarier than Sylar with his power.

I’m with you on Adam/Kensei. He was an excellent character, much more compelling than Sylar as a villain, I think. Let’s just hope he saw “Kill Bill Vol. 2” before he saw Hiro again. :rolleyes:

Thawamp. Thawap. Kensei rises again, and seeks vengance in Kill Hiro Vol. 1 (Battle without Honor or Humanity begins to play)

I can’t imagine Nathan will stay dead.
All that “monster face Nathan” stuff had to be a build-up to something, didn’t it?
Or was it really just illustrating the guilt he was feeling (minor pay-off in his big final speech)?

I can see Nathan getting saved since Peter is right there with him, but Niki, I’m not so sure about. I always thought Nathan was so interesting because of his selfishness and desire to do the right thing. Maybe dying for the greater good is the end of his arc. But he got shot on TV, so if he survives, things could get complicated.

I loved Adam, the actor, as Mr. Sark on Alias. He was fantastic. I agree that he could probably escape, but it would take a while.

I’m not sure if my memory is correct, but isn’t Sylar’s own power the one to move objects? If so, I’m not we should assume that the ones he took from others would survive the virus and cure. But that doesn’t solve the problem of keeping him interesting. I was disappointed to see him and Maya “break up”, I didn’t care for her, but I liked the notion that he possibly did. What does he need now? He’s a wanted man in two communities. I hope they give him something good.

I’ve been frustrated with Mohindar too, but now that they got HRG to suck it up, I’m willing to give everyone more latitude.

I just thought of something, what if Peter/Nathan’s mom really doesn’t have any powers? What if she was the Mohindar of her time?

You know, Leon… I’ve been thinking the same thing. It’s been a season and a half and she hasn’t shown any powers.

I never really liked the Nikki character until this very episode. Now I’m upset that she’s gone. “You don’t miss your water till your well runs dry.”

I hope they do bring Nathan back. I liked his change. He truly was a hero in this season’s arc.

This is only halfway into the season, they did the same thing with season 1. Volume 3: Villians will be very exciting to watch. As far as Nathan getting shot, I’m thinkin it was HRG, the unknown assailant’s back looked like his, complete with same style hair cut and I think I saw his glasses. Plus the fact that he made a deal with Bob to keep his family safe which we know he’ll do whatever it takes. I also believe Nathan will be back thanks to Peter’s blood. That’s all I gotta say about that.

I think the idea that Angela doesn’t have powers is interesting. I’ve always wondered if the dad had them, and that not controlling them lead to his suicide. Maybe Angela was the driving force behind things once she found out what kind of family she married into. Are her, Bob and Parkman’s dad the only ones left alive from the photo- besides Adam?

Wow. That’s pretty much all I can say regarding this episode. I don’t know whether or not Kensei will stay trapped, but it marks another step towards Hiro being the darker more serious character from the 5 years later arc.

I will sort of miss Niki, I guess, but I think her death will make Micah an interesting character finally. I also think Nathan will have to stay dead. When Angela Petrelli is on the phone and says something to the effect of “I understand it was necessary, but you do realize you’ve opened Pandora’s Box”. I’m almost completely positive that a reckoning is coming, Peter is going to get pissed and start taking people OUT! I’m personally looking forward to that. I miss totally bad-*ss Peter from the 5 years later story arc. My personal favorite line from the entire series.

Hiro: Should we stop time?
Peter: Hell, I haven’t had a good fight in years…

and then everything goes from 0 to AWESOME in no seconds flat.

Sorry for the fanboy gushing, but I’m totally and genuinely excited again for the next Heroes installments.

Really? I missed him as a politician. I felt his character needed that role, the need for leadership and power, to feel complete. The most interesting part of his arc in season one was seeing him struggle between wanting to have power for its sake and for the benefits it would bring him, and wanting it to help others.

Then again, writing that just now makes me think that maybe we’re not done with Nathan after all. Maybe he’ll come out of this and it will give him more focus.

As for Nikki, I always liked her but only when she had D.L. to keep her grounded. HIM I miss.

Sylar suff was awsome as always back with all his glory, including healing, although my boy did himself pretty damn good without. still i was pulling for a cid and nancy killing run thing with him and Maya, but shooting her is okay.

The rest was iffy, but as good as you can expect considering the writer strike and everything having to wrap up so quickly.

Nicky dead, that’s okay, not happy or hurt see her go; just shrug

kensai (sp?) trapped won’t be forever, but sure did make hero look like a bad ass didn’t it. Just the way, he was moving around in time a space, really made him seem like a superhero, more than they usually let there characters be.

Nathan getting shot, well not sure if i liked that entire scene, i just kind of came out of nowhere.

but sylar’s back and that is what i’ve been waiting for to bad we have to wait forever, but at leaste because of BSG i’m used to it.

BUt what i was thinking about, if the strike does get settled soon, but not soon enough to complete the season, they could do something like razor, i mean 2 hour tv movies, set in the universe, it could tide us over until next year, keep there raitings up, and revenue from DVD’s as well. just an idea, not that they’re listening or anything. but still.