GWC Podcast #96

Thank you, coco! You said exactly what I was thinking all the way home while I was listening to the 'cast and formulated a much more coherent, eloquent response than I did. The only thing I have to add is related to what Chuck’s said in recent podcasts–actually, in several podcasts–about choice and free will. It’s not that Tory had no choice but to airlock Cally to save herself and the other new Cylons. As coco says, Tori could have let Cally live and gambled that no one would believe Cally in her paranoid state. Tori could have accused Cally of being a Cylon to shift attention away from herself. Or, Tori could have admitted to everyone she’s a Cylon and let the chips fall where they may; hey, Athena and Six haven’t been airlocked, and they gave potential Cylon Starbuck her own ship–yes, it would be a huge risk, but it is another choice. Tori chose to kill Cally (anybody else think she tailed Cally after she realized someone had been crawling behind the grating during the meeting?), plain and simple. Tori didn’t have any clearly good choices, sure, but she still had choices, and she chose the easiest and bloodiest path.

In a weird way, this “I had no other choice” mentality that Tori seems to be going with (or maybe Tori’s so immoral she doesn’t even care, I don’t know) relates to what’s been making me angry at Roslin lately. I’m with Audra in that I was trying really hard to accept Roslin’s perspective as legitimate even if I didn’t always agree with her, but boy, Roslin really lost me this episode. What makes me angry is not so much her hypocrisy–at least when somebody calls her on it (while not holding a gun to her head), she tends to acknowledge it (in this case, Adama)–but that she constructs problems as only having two possible solutions, leaving her “no choice” but to make the choice that will ensure the Fleet’s safety more than the other.

Is it dangerous to let the freshly resurrected Kara Thrace lead the whole Fleet to who knows where? Yes, she has a legitimate point. But does that mean the only other solution is to let Kara stew in the brig? Adama proved that the answer is no; there was a very workable third alternative that Roslin didn’t think of and that, since she wasn’t willing to listen to others, didn’t consider. Same goes for the judiciary system in this episode; making decisions without discussion leads one to get trapped in certain ways of thinking, which I think is what’s happened to Roslin. She’s gotten so used to making the “tough calls” that she’s afraid and not willing to allow other people to propose solutions that don’t require her to do something sketchy or underhanded. I still have hope that something will humble her a bit and get her back to listening to others like she did in Season 1, but it’s scary right now.

I apologize for the long rant, but I drove for four hours today and had very little else to think about. :slight_smile:

I hadn’t been aware of that. I had always assumed that Larson was mostly inspired by Erich van Dänikens “Chariots of the Gods” and the not very scientifically proven idea that the ancient civilizations on Earth had met space-traveling beings during their time.

This is a quote from Mindcrime on the latest blog entry concerning the ship of lights.

I for one believe it is ABSOLUTELY a clue. Look at the way it was shot. When she was lying in bed naked…they made sure to give us a LONG CLOSE look. They’ve never used that angle before. It’s a clue. Plus if you look closer…the ‘comet’ referred to above is ACTUALLY an orb of light.
My take? It’s probably either the cylon programmers…OR…the Lords of Kobol. Odds are that we’ll find out and soon however.

I think I found the shot he is referring to:

And yes, I must say, the camera angle is kind of weird and one could in fact easily assume that it was made specifically so that people would have a good look at the painting.

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I gotta say, during most of this scene I was imagining the director saying: “Katee, would you mind turning to face the camera? Katee? Ms. Sackhoff, please…I need you to…come on, would you turn around please? Don’t make me talk to Ron and David about having you killed off again.”

After a restless night’s sleep I am fully on board with it being a Ship of Light. It’s one thing to pick up a theme/idea from the original series and another to pay homage to other sci fi classics (1701D, skin jobs, etc.).

So, who/what is on it? Are we really ready to go with the Lords of Kobol - so now we have “immortal” creatures on our hands?

Seraphs? So, now we have the next stage of intelligent life (or machinery) on our hands?

Aren’t these outcomes sort of trite for a show of this caliber?

Original programmers? Aren’t they most likely to be human?

I know what you’re thinking - OK genius, what else could they be?

Well, I dunno - which is why I am not in Hollywood earning millions. But I do know this - if there is going to be a one true God somehow revealed in this show - there is going to be a one true Satan as well.

I’ve been thinking about the painting as well…might the flashes be explosions/gunfire…? A Cylon/Colonial final battle in Sol’s System? Or perhaps Earth won’t be happy to see ANY of us, and has the means to defend itself. They came a looong way to get away from it all…they may not want any company !

Or maybe it’s just a comet I mean I really, highly, doubt that it’s the ship of lights like…95% doubt


Cylon, Human…Welcome to Earth. Now move along !
And be excellent to each other !

Speakers up !

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I am having some new thoughts on Starbuck’s painting which I think needs its own thread so this discussion doesn’t dominate the podcast summary area.

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Yeah you’re crazy - but not over this. I think we may see ships of light…

All I know is, she hit cally, knocked her ten feet, took the kid and airlocked her without another thought beyond a shrug - aka GANGSTA

…honestly, I’d like to see Tory feeling guilty about this. Justified at first, then feeling guilty - realizing what she is becoming/has become and have a moment where she she makes a pro-human choice.

Not saying it would make up for it…but still.

First time poster, just wanted to say what a great podcast this is - keep up the good work!

After each episode this season (especially #2 & 3), I feel really disoriented and emotionally conflicted. There’s no real strong character any more! No real anchor, the character that you can always rely on and get behind (besides Helo, of course :D). Roslin is making herself into a tyrant, the chief is a crazy cylon, Lee is a fish out of water and easily manipulated, Adama is a bit of a dick when he’s not being Roslin’s sycophant, Starbuck is really starting to weird me out, Anders is weak, Tigh is a cylon, Gaeta is about to snap, Tori is mad with power (and really awesome), Zarek is manipulative, the new #6 is inciting civil war, Cavil is winning that civil war, Athena doesn’t really seem to be doing anything, Boomer is frakking Cavil, and so on. The Fleet isn’t in any danger, but nothing feels safe. It’s both incredibly frustrating and incredibly compelling. An amazing job done by the writers.

The only character I feel I can get behind is Baltar! :eek:

Sure, he’s still as self-serving and slick as ever, but at least the man is consistent! I really missed him from this episode.

hmmmm - see now dammit ya got me thinking and junk:D

FYI: According the Battlestar Wiki…the “red shirt” on the Demetrius…his name is Pike. :smiley:

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Gonzo gon frak up some Cylons and then die I call it right now

You know what’s more important though? The best pilot on the entire show is on the ship. Dragon! Aka the unnamed tattoo’d wonder

I don’t think its a ship-of-light. It looks like there are multiple bright explosions maybe? it seems more logical, but then again all logic is lost in the world of BSG

Edit: Upon further review of the brief vision Starbuck had while on the Demetrius with Gaeta in the room, it looked like it was 3 stars, maybe planets, and a comet. Her vision is more clear than her ridiculous painting.

I’m not sure I get where how it is inconsistent for a show of this quality to also include elements of fantasy. If handled correctly it can be done to great effect. I know the new BSG has quite often been compared to Star Trek and other Sci-Fi that tried (as best they could) to maintain a high degree of realism. And certainly BSGs quality also derives from its character driven plots like other shows such as the Sopranos etc. But I think BSG has always at least hinted towards a significant degree of mysticism in its universe and story telling. The closest parallel I can see to the way BSG has unfolded is the HBO series Carnivale which incorporated a significant degree of fantasy and mysticism and was a damn fine character driven show. Interestingly, Ron D Moore was Carnivale’s show runner and wrote most of the key episodes of the first season.

Oh fer frak’s sake…