emilyfromohio, you made a comment during the podcast about how with Adama being all steely edged, that it reminded you of Season 1 and that that meant that everything was going to be OK this season… I just wanted to remind you that it was at the end of Season 1 when Adama got shot and everything felt just the opposite of being OK!
How many death scenes has this guy had? Got to be some kind of record!
In the podcast Sean commented that Adama was hitting the booze hard in that scene in his quarters, but that Roslin was at the desk drinking right along with him.
I have to go back and watch that scene, but I think Roslin was drinking water.
Regardless, both Roslin and Adama are totally violating my “Season 4 Drinking Edict”.
Must I repeat the rules again here?
Rules for drinking in Adamas office:
Season 1: Water
Season 2: Whiskey
Season 3: More Whiskey
Season 4: Strawberry Margaritas (see http://forum.galacticwatercooler.com/showpost.php?p=23356&postcount=1)
That’s a good story, ThotFullGuy. I lol’d.
Anyway, I have to say two things after listening to the podcast. (it was 3, but I forgot the first one. eh, well)
- I would completely vote for Sean for … any political office
Regardless of the positions on the issues, actually
- I think Starbuck has been COMPLETELY acting like Starbuck. When she gets off her bird, she’s all happy to the gloating degree, just like after any good mission/fight. Then Lee hugs her, and she’s very okay with that, then Anders hugs her and she’s kinda “oh … hey, it’s you … heh weak smile wait a minute what the FRAK are you wearing?!” She’s got a measure of “inner peace” if you like, but that’s also shot to hell by the fact that none of the people she loves/trusts (except of course for Lee) believe her anymore. She’s pushing that she’s right, she knows the truth, and why the hell won’t you arsehelms listen to me, just like always And she’s willing to go too far to get what she wants (flashbanging the president’s marine guard and pointing a gun at her is a fanfreakingtastic example of this).
Maybe I’m missing something, but how is that NOT like Starbuck?
Bill Gates & Steve Jobs…this would explain SOOOOOO many things!!!
Most of our Supreme Court justices are just that old right now. It is certainly not out of the realm of possibility not only in the BSG 'verse, but our own reality. Quite a few lawyers & judges in our justice system are well into their 70’s & 80’s. That’s just going on the US system, I’m sure our itnerntational friends would tell you it’s the same there as well.
Yeah, she was definitely drinking a clear liquid, most likely water. I’d say the combo of extreme stress and the steroids that are probably a part of her cancer treatment (I think someone in one of the frak parties suggested Roslin looked slightly Botoxed in the early scenes this week, but I read that as the makeup department doing a really good job mimicking Prednisone puffiness) would be a potent enough cocktail to cause mood swings without alcohol anyway.
Wow. Very interesting. That’s one of the reasons I’m anxiously awaiting the RDM podcast. Maybe he’ll shed some light on all that behind-the-scenes cleverness.
Yeah, me too, ThotFul. I could be totally off-base, but that’s how I interpreted it. I’m also really curious to hear what RDM has to say about some of the crazy stuff going on at Lee’s going-away party (strip poker, etc.) to find out whether all that was scripted or improvised on set.
In this series we see Baltar in an explicitly Messianic role. Head Six has said she is an angel from God, and if we accept this then Head Baltar is presumably also an angel from God. So we have Baltar the Son (messianic Baltar) and Baltar the Holy Spirit (Head Baltar). Why not also Baltar the Father (Baltar as the final Cylon and progenitor of the significant seven Cylons)?
This would fit with the religious analogues with our own world that we see throughout the show, and maybe RDM is having some fun with his Catholic heritage (the original show was often referred to as “Mormons in Space”, so why not?!)
As for Cylon civil war and sentient centurions - wow! This opens up so much potential for the rest of the series. I can’t wait to see just how frakked up it gets. I’ll bet that we see the surviving Cavills, Simons and Dorrells (and Boomer) seeking refuge with the humans as they flee the revolution instigated by Six, Eight and Leoben with the raiders and the centurions. This will cause problems when the monotheistic revolutionaries try and make peace with the humans, a solution they’ve been advocating for a while now, as Cavill and his supporters push for the extermination of humanity. Cavill et al will try and use the fleet to fight back against the other Cylons, pleading repentance and convincing the humans that they are threatened by mad evangelising monotheistic skin jobs. It will all go horribly wrong, or course. Fabulous stuff!
I was thinking that myself - and thinking that is wasn’t a very flattering job of it either.
I also realized something else in this last episode -something that has been burning inside me for quite some time. I have been developing a hatred of Roslin that I haven’t been able to explain - yeah, she’s made some really bad decisions and, quite frankly, acted like an ass, but I’ve hated her like - when she comes on the screen my stomach burns. In the shooting scene it all made sense - the angle the lighting, oh yes, she looks a lot like my frakking mother-in-law!!! The way she pointed the gun, closed her eyes, and shot like a bitter old dying woman, yup, that was her all right.
I can only hope this knowledge will set me free now, and I can go on enjoying the show, and the character of Laura Roslin.
Yes, but Adama turned out okay didn’t he? 
I just keep hpin, against hope, taht one thing…anything…will turn out okay by the end of the season. There still is hope for these people, and I think that is what Adama is showing. I’t skind of like the whole story of Athina and helo, also injects hope to a otherwise depressing story (Moore brings this up as well)
I thought the centurions were hardware only (metal) while the raiders were wet-ware (biological) plus some metal. So while it’s easy to attach an inhibitor to a centurion, there’s no easy way to do the same thing to a raider. I don’t understand why they are lobotomizing the raiders though. Surely when they die and get resurrected they’d go back to not being lobotomized? And why do the raiders just put up with the lobotomizing? Do they have to tranquilize them or something first? Also, presumably they aren’t suppose to talk about the final five either, so maybe that’s why they didn’t mention why they stopped the attack. Thus the cylons are just guessing what happened because every time they ask the raiders they just get the response “Can’t say”.
I’ve generally voted approvingly of Roslin for most of the polls, but I’ve switched in the last two weeks. What bugs me is her dismissal of Starbuck. Audra mentions that it is the rational thing to do, because how could you not suspect something is wonky when someone returns from the dead? However, Roslin is the exact person who should believe in miracles and the unexpected actions of the gods. She’s the one who has had prophetic visions and seen them to fruition. Now when this supposedly happens involving someone else she cannot be a believer. It seems particularly hypocritical (but all too common) for people who do believe something on faith to be complete doubters of those who have different beliefs also based of faith. I suspect that Adama is correct and that Roslin’s stubbornness regarding Starbuck originates in her jealousy that she is not the only person though which the gods have chosen to act. Even during the tylium workers strike it appeared she had the greater wellbeing of the fleet at heart. However, in this case it seems that her motives are largely guided by selfishness. Very Baltarian of her… :eek:
I wonder why they brought in another Six to act as the opposition to Cavil. There must be a significant reason for Natalie to be created so late into the show. If they wanted just someone to oppose dumbing down the raiders, why not have Boomer do it? Now they put boomer on the opposite side of Natalie, and I am hoping this is a crucial plot development.
I really like the Boomer character, and ever since Downloaded, I feel like they’ve been wasting a perfectly interesting character. And Boomer has went through so much change without being explained, I seriously can’t recognize when Grace Park is playing Boomer and when she is playing the other Eights.
I can tell each Sixes apart. Head Six, Gina, Natalie, Shelly Godfrey are all very distinct. It used to be that way for the Eights as well, Boomer and Athena are different. But since Downloaded, Boomer, Athena and the Eights are pretty much sidelined. Basically nothing is written for the eights to the point that them all look the same. The Eights now are pretty much “Simonized”.
Perhaps Boomer voting for dumbing down the raiders will put her in charge of the Cylon civil war against Natalie, since she wasn’t there when the Centurions shot everyone else. It would kind of suck if this episode wipes out all opposition to Natalie, that would make a very weak civil war…
Yeah, Pike, I am with you even though I like Dee! She is the one who left Lee! She made the choice. Even more than that, it’s not like she didn’t understand what she was getting into marrying Lee (see her comments in Season 3). I don’t feel bad for Dee in the marriage break up because she knew from the beginning that Lee didn’t love her in that true-love-our-spines-would-glow-if-we-were-Cylons way. She also only wanted him on certain terms: if he remained Captain Apollo and not Lee Adama, Esq. I think it sucks that the two of them beat each other up- and I recognize that Lee did more of the slugging than Dee- and that they weren’t ultimately able to make anything of their marriage, but I don’t feel sorry for either of them. Life happens all the time, and you roll with it. They both knew what they were doing and they both got burned.
Hey, I’m a self-admitted Cally-disliker- and I’m also not so much into the men- but Galen Tyrol and Aaron Douglass totally deserve a sex scene for the level of sheer awesomeness! Straight dudes, who’s with me? Queer ladies- what say you? The Chief should get some hot, hot love.
My guess is you were too far from a Podcast Resurrection Ship?
So, Audra, when you said it was upsetting that Sharon/Boomer apparently used to use her tai-chi as meditation/exercise and now is cool with it being sexualized, I disagreed with your take.
The first time we saw naked tai-chi Boomer was alone in a room doing her thing when Gaius and Six (or D’Anna) ran through. She didn’t even notice because she was so deep in her meditation. Gaius sexualized it and then Six (D’Anna?) gave him a withering glare and told him not to be stupid. I think that the same thing was going on in Friday’s episode: Boomer gets way into her naked martial arts and Cavil, who clearly has a different sexuality than the others (his orientation appears to be skeevy), shows up to watch. She doesn’t even notice him, really.
Now, the fact is that the scene is somewhat disturbing-- for those of us who are able to see more than Boomer rocking the black undies. Cavil turns her into an object without her permission or her participation. As a question of gender equality (how it reflects for us because of our own societies’ issues) it’s a tough one. In terms of the fact that Cavil decylonizes all the Cylons other than himself and dehumanizes all the humans he runs across, it reinforces his underlying skeeviness. I like the dimensions that various Cavil models add to the show, but he is one gross dude.
I agree, I just don’t want it to be with Cally! He did get a smei-love scene in first season with Boomer if you remember! 