GWC Podcast #86

Every morning pretty much, as I walked from the tube station to my workplace in London, I had to run the gauntlet either of chuggers (charity muggers) or clipboard wielding survey-monkeys.

The poor bastards (usually seems to be students trying to earn a crust or 2 to finance their studentishness, which i’m not going near, I don’t need the flaming) have their ‘orders’ from who the powers that be for whatever product/service they’re trying to survey on. So for instance if they are doing surveys for FOX on what shows people watch on Sky One, they may well have been given instructions to the effect of 'no women with strollers, no OAPs, yadda yadda)… which is bad enough in itself, because, of course, no mothers want to watch sky one do they (can anyone say self-fulfilling prophecy)… and in the subset they are willing to solicit the views on, what they’ll receive is the subset of people who actually can be arsed to have 10 minutes out of their life at random.

Anyway… not sure what I was getting at, but my point is, I think, that not only are the people who do their surveys often, in the view of more ‘progressive’ people, a bit lame, but the studios WANT those viewpoints only, as that represents ‘the mass market’… gah!

IMO its worth picking up more of the Honor Harrington series - it takes a couple of books before it picks up, and also Baen have the series for purchase as ebooks - the barstewards got me good with that one - way too easy to just say ‘wellll i’ll just buy the next one and download it to PDA’

okay, that’s fair. it’s just that - as I said before on the forums here somewhere - I have a real problem with committing to a series of novels, because I want variety and there’s so much other cool stuff on my reading list that I would have a bad conscience just focusing on one particular series of novels. My next scifi reads are going to be Space Merchants, Downbelow Station (written by a woman and featuring a female protagonist, so this should fit nicely into the context of this thread, I’m looking forward to it, I have heard a lot of cool things about this book), [COLOR=silver]Star Trek [/COLOR]Masks (a re-read), The Cold Equations and maybe a re-read of Neuromancer because I read that while in hospital and under the influence of painkillers in a half-delirium state of mind, so I don’t really remember much. Plus, JLA New Frontier, but that’s not really scifi.

For my part I liked Neuromancer, but ultimately wasn’t that bowled over by its successors… I guess I’m just a punk, not cyber-punk.

Series’’’’’ of novels do tick me off also - especially if I find myself committed to a series and reading whole books of tripe just to get to some gold. Elizabeth Moon has done some nice readable sequences, and also some more standalone novels which stand up well. Particularly if you have any association with people with Asperger’s/autism with one novel which I unfortunately can’t remember the name of, but if anyone wants to know I’ll be able to look on my bookshelf and edit in - its particularly significant because I seem to recall a mention her son (could be wrong, memory like a goldfish) is autistic.

Another good one iirc is the Fisherman series by David Fein<something> (once again - i’;; edit/reply if asked as i’m not at home but its on the bookshelf.
hmm… perhaps I ought to go haunt the group-read threads :smiley:

Really? I liked Count Zero even better.

Like I say… maybe it just marks me out as a punk, but especially looking back with hindsight, I think I have a preference moving more towards silver age SF generally.

Please define “silver age SF.”

Wikipedia has an entry about the Golden Age of SF, saying that it ended around the time of Sputnik 1 (1957), followed by a second era that remains unspecified and it’s also not certain whether or not that second era ended at some point in time or is still continuing today.

That’s what I thought was silver age - I’m no expert though

So what you meant was older scifi in general? the classics, Asimov, Heinlein, Lem, Clarke, etc.?

Yeah so Im back for the moment, damn real life taking over and all. Been catching up with the podcasts and funnily enough the only thing that seemed to stick was the use of the word wanker - so here are more british swears :slight_smile:

arse
tosspot
bugger
bollocks
sod

There are ruder I suppose but I will leave those… interesting that you can’t swear on american tv (but you can be violent and have sex? weird, but i digress) but these words were used often on buffy by giles or spike.

I do so enjoy that aspect of US TV - UK Native TV nowadays seems to have a pretty relaxed attitude to swearing - pretty much anything goes after 9pm anything

Not sure how I feel about that, as a parent

And of course then there’s Firefly with all its Mandarin swears, which in commentary etc the cast acknowledge as an excellent way to finess the US FCC language filters

Oh yes… and then there’s BSG with its ipod of torture sex scene etc, glowing backs, yadda yadda yadda… but you have to say ‘frak’ instead of what you really mean… I mean really :\

Glad to know our discussions are planted so firmly in your memory, lol. Thanks for the Brit guide to cursing! The only one I don’t know how to use is “tosspot.”

Yeah, American TV can be funny in what the FCC finds acceptable and not, compared to what normal people find acceptable or not, and what shows up on non-network television. I have noticed before, when Chuck and I have watched old Brit coms like “Are You Being Served?,” that language is dealt with a lot more casually we’re used to.

A little help for Audra the Awesomist!

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Tosspot

Brought to you by BBC. Have a good day.

Oh yes… and then there’s Red Dwarf… ‘smeg-head’ … sounds kindof playground (schoolyard) level, but then once one has the knowledge… ick!

Seem to recall that Gary Larson or Scott Adams or another cartoonist was surprised/shocked when, after using the word ‘dork’ as a palatable curseword, he discovered what it meant… and stopped using it on his cartoons

(gonna really bug me now as I can’t remember which one it was who mentioned it)

Or frigging, which people use a substitute for another f-word, but turns out to be just as nasty.

You mean those fellas from the fricking FCC (doo do do do) you have to love family guy…

Who would’ve thought that us uptight brits with stiff upper lips and cups of tea would be more be more relaxed about swearing on tv?

Farscape get around the swearing like battlestar using other words (frell and dren). You would have thought that they would have come up with others for the less offensive words like crap or bastard.

Speaking of which - EVERYONE needs to watch Farscape. Its awesome. And Audra, Ben Browder. Need I say more?

There are not enough words for Ben Browder.

I don’t need words, just 10 minutes in a locked room and him :wink:

You should check him out in Stargate SG-1 as well… mmmm, uniform