I forgot to mention that I couldn’t stop laughing after Audra mentioned the hybrid should have offered a goo cookie.
Also, in regard to Kara, she has been used in so many different types of situations, (ex: pilot, CAG, away team mission leader, marine, etc) who knows whether or not she would have been offered the job of XO if she hadn’t married Anders and moved to New Caprica, she probably would have gotten the nod of XO over apparent jack of all trades Helo.
I think that the attack changed her values. She fell in love with Gina, Gina was a civilian before she was revealed to Cain as a cylon. So it proves that she could and probably maintained good relations with civilians. The reason she thought civilians were expendable was because they werent taking part in the war, wich was her priority.
Maybe. But what motivation would he have to lie – just to mind-frak with the humans? Is he invested in the current Cylon-Human conflict? Also, if he was lying, why would the other Cylons want to jam Shaw from telling the fleet about the hybrid’s words? I assumed they jammed him precisely because he was telling the truth – i.e., they [the Cylon…Z] are invested in the conflict, and don’t want the humans having the advantage of the truth about Kara.
That is an interesting observation! For me, the whole goofy time-travel facet and “time cops” etc. really detracted from that story; and I don’t recall RDM saying he was involved in those episodes. Nonetheless, a good point.
Makes me sad to think how much better Voyager could’ve been if RDM had stuck around… but, then, we might never have gotten the new BSG! So all is well…
I don’t think I remember any time-travel in this episode, were you maybe thinking about ‘Relativity’?
Yeah it always kinda struck me that BSG was for Ron Moore his way of stating “This IS how you make a story about a ship trying to find its way to Earth”
Yeah, I guess I am confusing the Equinox with the time-ship. Hm. Well, now you’ve actually got me curious to go back and rewatch a Voyager episode – something I have never wanted to do before!
Of course not. It’s not that one would stand there with a dictionary and a monacle and read from “Civil Disobedience” while the ship was blowing up around him. It’s that when we take a moment to self-reflect in times of peace about what we’d do in times of chaos, it helps us make better decisions later when we have no time to ponder “the right thing.”
Hmm. I’m not sure there’s much evidence that Cain was a good person before the attacks. And I’m totally guilty of speculating, too, btw. I think that scene with Kendra when she shows up in CIC late was indeed quite mild and even funny, especially compared to everything that came afterward. But I don’t take that as proof that Cain was a good person or had any healthy relationships with anyone. She seemed pretty at odds with her XO from the start. I think we can only assume she was capable of such things all along and just needed the right triggers.
Thanks for pointing this out! I think it’s worth remembering.
So here’s my pet theory about the hybrid: he does not like his hybridization. He appears to be resigned to/content with the fact that he IS the first human-Cylon hybrid-- a precursor to the skin-jobs, the hybrids which steer the ships, and the hylons (Hera, Nicky, possibly other children of mixed-species parentage). But is he happy with his destiny? He is no longer human but nor is he a Cylon and I think he feels that his path is a mistake. Part of this interpretation is me pulling this out of my bum and part of it is his mannerism and his renegade status.
So, if my little theory holds water, what is the implication for his final prophecy? I’m a proponent of the idea that Kara’s destiny is to lead both humans and Cylons to Earth and to serve as the harbinger of a new species of hylons. From the hybrid’s p.o.v. that would be terrible, catastrophic, and (one could even say) a mistake of apocalyptic scale. And the human race would indeed come to its end.
At this point in time, neither hylon child has yet been born. I wonder if the hybrid knew about Athena’s pregnancy or the final five?
what i like about the goo-brid’s statements is that they are left intentionally vague. imagine for instance that kenrda is a cylon, and that the goo-brid thinks of itslef as a cylon; then it is quite possible that kara [non-cylon] is will be the herald of the [clon] apocalypse.
A lot of prophecy is written with such intentional vagueness. Its fulfillment, therefore, is based on the reader’s/listener’s perspective. An apocalypse is not a bad thing if you’re not part of the group being wiped out. Or, to quote the late Obi-Wan Kenobi, “you’ll find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.”