Those are great. My favorite is when he’s trying to be all manly and impress his wife’s boss:
Ron Richardson: Yeah? Are you gonna make it all 220?
Jack Butler: Yeah. 220… 221, whatever it takes.
I just wanted to chime in on Chuck’s comment that people seem to hate “Twilight” because its popular:
I tried to give it a chance, thinking it would be another Harry Potter- a series I dismissed early on but grew to love.
However, I actually get angry watching movie clips, they’re so bad, and the criticism directed towards the books dwarfs that of Harry Potter. Witness Stephen King rapturously writing about his love of the Potter series versus his description of Stephenie Meyer as a terrible writer.
And there’s the criticisms of misogyny:
http://community.feministing.com/2008/07/misgonmy-in-popular-teen-liter.html
I think it’s a matter of Twilight’s massive popularity making people who would hate it more aware of it. Still, the hate for this series is unprecedented compared to other backlashes I’ve seen.
On the other hand, it did give us this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZwM3GvaTRM&feature=player_embedded
Mr. Mom gets no respect, and is actually a decent movie. Thanks for noticing.
I haven’t seen it in twenty years, but I still remember it fondly. And I’ve quoted that exchange every since.
Very interesting cast! In regards to the best Batman, I think its hard to say because Bale and Keaton’s movies were so much better. Had it been Val Kilmer in the 1989 Batman, we would be arguing if he was the best.
Also, loved the Trek talk! When are we going to do another Trek arc?
FWIW, it’s not people’s dislike of the work itself that bothers me; it’s their need to rain on others’ parade.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again as I think it’s a real tenet of how I’ve learned to cope with my own feelings about various work: It’s one thing to express one’s own dislike of art, but it’s another altogether to judge those who don’t agree.
That bears reading again, I think.
So, for example, “I don’t enjoy Twilight” makes perfect sense to me. “Twilight is crap” is an attack on others, not the work itself. And suggesting that the fact that lots of other people enjoy Twilight indicates a decline in the intelligence or judgment of society as a whole is just bulls*** lashing out.
I’ve been working really hard to remove this kind of talk from my own vernacular, as I’m just as guilty as others of spewing it in the past. I just think that a world in which one can draw inspiration and enjoyment from art in one’s own fashion without abuse is a better world, and I’m going to do what I can to forward that goal.
Wow. Okay. I totally agree. I hadn’t thought it through. Nice.
I personally have nothing but contempt for those who would judge another person’s intelligence based on their taste in entertainment- these people, I feel, have a secret inferiority complex about their own accomplishments, education (or lack thereof), whereas truly intelligent people feel no pressure to pretend to like so-called “high art.”
I was just saying that those of us who hate Twilight hate it on its own merits, not because of its fans or popularity.
Please note I have never spoken of Twilight, so you know I’m not one of those snobs.
i LOOOOVVVVEEE Alicia Silverstone. Though the lasting memory of her in my head is Alicia giving me the finger while hanging over a freeway with her belly ring.
I just kept thinking to myself… that isn’t physically possible… (maybe not the thing to be paying attention to when a girl as hot as Alicia Silverstone is on screen, but hey, that’s why I am a geek).
But I have to say, CylonMatrix, that my Aerosmith MV is Cryin’, and yours with Liv Tyler I think is Crazy.
By the way… there were a couple of scenes in TSCC where Summer Glau has a Alicia Silverstone look on her face…
Acually, Chuck, in Enterprise, they actually explained the Klingon forehead issue. It was basically a genetic engineering program gone wrong.
If you miss Michelle Pfiefer, you seriously need to check out “Stardust” it’s an EXCELLENT film. Really awesome. Sean, I think you would love it as a story.
Also, what a golden opportunity to revisit Grease 2, Hollywood Knights, and Fabulous Baker Boys.
Saw it. Love it.
Hi Chuck,
Loved the podcast. I just voted for you guys. Never stop. Your podcasts keep me going at work.
One thing- People who either hate Twilight or have issues with it fall into more than 2 categories. I myself have issues with the books. As someone in their mid-thirties who’s not biased against young adult literature, I was very interested in seeing what the Twilight phenomenon was all about. I read the first 3 books back to back and the fourth when it came out. While I like the overall story arc and adored the supporting characters, I found that I really didn’t like Bella or Edward. I’ve seen both movies- the 2nd is way better. And while I like the actors, I still didn’t like the main characters on film. I find Bella to be obsessive and Edward to be a bit creepy in the books. In the movies, they just have no sparkle unless it was CGI’d onto their person. Maybe I just like heroines with more spunk. Afterall, I’m a huge Buffy, ALIAS, Kill Bill & BSG fan. Maybe I think weres are cooler than vampires. Actually, I do think weres are cooler than vampires. Team Jacob!!! However, in discussing Twilight with Buffy fans, I have noticed that many Buffy fans also can’t stand Edward or Bella. We seem to like our vampires to be old-fashionly evil and our heroines modern and kicka$$. Maybe that’s why I was fascinated by the Volturri in the books.
Anyhoo, just wanted to throw it out there that people who may hate the books or the phenomena may have actually explored it and found it not to their liking. I do agree that they should just be honest and say that they don’t like it rather that say it’s crap. And if they haven’t even cracked one of the books or seen the movies, they should refrain from commenting altogether. I can’t stand when someone does that with something that I adore. (I still get mocked over HP and Buffy. Whatever, they’re missing out.)
Once again, love the podcast.
that does seem like the case. and demonstrated by Earl’s post of the fanvid Buffy vs Edward
You can dislike something great and love something terrible and vice versa, but there are standards of quality that apply to the work independent of your level of enjoyment of it. Disparaging the quality of a novel or a film is not a personal attack on those who enjoy it. In the case of Twilight we have many fans taking criticism of the work as a personal affront and we have critics who attack the fans instead of the work and both are wrong. I dont think we need to all hold hands and sing, but we should be cognizant of when we are critizing people and when we are critizing a piece of work.
Chuck, at around 1:26 into the podcast you talk about Spock’s relationship with his mother in TOS being similar to the Star Trek movie.
You’re so right. This scene says it all:
Kevin Conroy will ALWAYS be my Batman.
Re: Twilight, another person chiming in that there are more than just 2 kinds of people who don’t like it. There are also the people who don’t like the prose, people who don’t like the characters and relationships between them, and people who don’t like the pacing. I gave it a shot, pretty much nothing in it worked for me, I moved on. Except for the part where I like watching the fandoms clash and explode around each other.
Oh, and re: Ladyhawke, because of that movie I can’t see Rutger Hauer as a bad guy, ever. Which makes Blade Runner, The Hitcher, and Batman Begins interesting for me 
brilliant scene indeed
Grr, argh. I hate when work gets in the way of peacefully listening to the podcast. I still haven’t made it through the whole thing due to ringing phones and insistent e-mails so I’m looking forward to hearing the last 20 minutes or so now I’m out of the office.
Even though (as Audra observed) the Bale version of the Batman 'verse is very dark and sad and dangerous, I think that’s the one I prefer. Maybe just because we get the whole origin story, plus Michael Caine, Gary Oldman and Morgan Freeman. Cillian Murphy ain’t bad, either. Pretty, creepy, pretty creepy.
Oh, I’ve heard of Greater Tuna. I’ve even seen it at two different theaters; it’s hilarious. And for Val Kilmer pro’s, you should have included Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang. Brilliant film.
Oh, and re: Ladyhawke, because of that movie I can’t see Rutger Hauer as a bad guy, ever. Which makes Blade Runner, The Hitcher, and Batman Begins interesting for me
So true. I adored that movie, and now I must add it to my Netflix queue.