This week: We tackle the difficult question of who’s the best movie Batman. Audra talks nipple armor. We discuss our second impressions of this year’s Trek movie after watching it in the comfort of the GWC lair’s home theater. And we run down the week in geek, including a newly-released premiere date for Lost, a new Weber book, updated Trek 12 release speculation, Sean’s take on the new Prisoner series, and a Boston con founder who pleaded guilty to theft charges after allegedly canning a con and blaming the guests.
Wait, is this last week’s cast?
the only Twilight I really enjoy, weirdly, are youtube fan-vids about it.
those people are really talented.
I’m not quite through with the podcast yet, but I think Chuck’s comment about villain vs. non-villain Star Trek movies has a point, but with some modification. The Star Trek movies where the central conflict is between the crew and the villains are not as good as the moview were the central conflict is between a character(s) and themself or between the character(s) and a concept.
The Wrath of Khan: The central conflict of that movie is Kirk dealing with aging and his perception that he is losing what has been vital to him over the years.
The Voyage Home: The central conflict is what people are doing to the planet.
The Undiscovered Country: The central conflict is how we deal with change and face old fears/stereotypes (as Chuck said in the podcast).
First Contact: The central conflicts are how Picard deals with a trauma from his past and what means to be human (Data’s character of course).
Nipple armor? I’m in…
Um… same file as last week’s cast. 
For all those suggesting that this file is the same as last week’s: it’s not. There was some sort of caching issue affecting us early this morning. Please double-check that whatever source you’re using to download the podcast it drawing from the site’s direct or RSS link – both of which are correct.
I gotta say that Clooney’s version of Batman was doomed from the start because of the script and the fact that Mr.Freeze was the Star of the movie.
I think that if you take the Danny Ocean character as a template for Bruce Wayne and his persona in From dusk still dawn as Batman he shows that he had the skill to do it.
Given the right script he could have been the best.
By the way, I LOVE Burton Batmobile. 
The 194 dupe showed up as 195 this morning. Right now 195 is not showing on iTunes at all.
Pike, on iTunes I had to “unsubscribe” the podcast, and then hit subscribe again. The correct #195 then downloaded.
That worked (after I deleted the dupe), Thanks!
I am very fond of the Adam West Batman but the best is CHRISTIAN BALE hands down. Doubt me? Watch the bonus stuff with Batman Begins and then come back.
My source was iTunes, Chuck, and it was indeed the same file. Deleting the faux 195, unsubscribing and resubscribing got the correct file sent.
I loves me some interwebs in the morning! 
My fav Batmen are Keaton & Bale too! Hands down!
For me, the first movie reference for Keaton back in '89 wasBeetle Juice - another Tim Burton movie (aha!) that starred a young, goth Winona Ryder.
What is remarkable about Keaton is that he is equally capable of being the Joker as well as Batman. I’m surprised that you didn’t mention Multiplicity as a con? (See ya, Steve! … heheh)
And Jack Nicholson did set the standard for the Joker - one that only Heath Ledger was able to to match recently. Back in the day, Nicholson and Sean Connery were often regarded as the ladie’s men. So Audra, it’s perfectily normal to have a crush on him (I highly recommend you watch 2 of Nicholson’s best movies, The Shining as well as One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest)
And you’re d*mned right about Christian Bale’s mumbling - and rightly so to compare it to Eddie Olmo’s mumbling!
/ rant
I didn’t listen to #195 yet, but here’s my standard rap against the pre-Bale Batman movies.
First, though, West was an acceptable Batman. He has a small voice role in the Disney animated feature Meet the Robinsons. I hear that voice, and I think, “Now THAT is a hero.”
Nicholson’s Joker never impressed me. He’s Daffy Duck.
Among the countless deficiencies of the Burton/1990s Batman movies, here’s one of my chief gripes: The directors cast the actor to be Bruce Wayne, not The Batman.
Wayne/Batman is – among other things – an Olympic-caliber athlete who’s spent his life studying hand-to-hand combat in preparation for a life combatting crime. A guy like that is going to have a certain build. The Batman as portrayed in the Bale/Nolan movies is the first one to really acknowledge the physical realities of what Batman would be like.
I’m a big fan of Keaton, I like Kilmer, and Clooney is cool. But they’re they’re all just playing Batman.
/rant off
That’s a great point. Keaton should have been huge, but he just fizzled somewhere along the line. He would have made a much better Joker.
At the time of the first Batman movie, there was some idle speculation that Christian Slater could be the Joker, and play him along the lines of the Killing Joke presentation of the character, make him more of a yin-yang with Batman. That would have been great. Let’s face it, the 80s-90s Batman movies, the scripts were no great shakes.
Good cast this week. I’m with Chuck, where I really do like Frank Miller’s version of The Dark Knight and would rather see Batman in that world, but I have to tip my hat to Michael Keaton and his portrayal. Keaton was dark enough to shed the campiness of Adam West’s portrayal. Keaton has his own personal “dark side”, and he appears to use that to his advantage in his two turns in the role. He also has a great sense of humor, and just enough is sprinkled in for my taste.
I should also point out that Kim Basinger and Nicole Kidman were both way hotter than Alicia Silverstone. Nicole Kidman before the way-too-early facelift that turned her into a cat woman was absolutely stunning.
Oh, and Joel Schumaker’s films killed the franchise until the Frank Miller versions got made. They were beyond terrible, both of them, from the casting (Val Kilmer? Huh?) to the stories, to the villains… ugggh.
My best memories of Alicia Silverstone was in that music video for Aerosmith, Cryin’, with Liv Tyler. I was in my late teens that time.
And who could forget, Clueless? As if? I must say, Rachel Blanchard (from the tv version) is a splitting image of Alicia!
That’s true for that particular movie. Technically, they cast Clueless-era Alicia Silverstone. But when she showed up, her physique had changed. Again with the physical reality: The Thicker Batgirl could probably kick more ass, and is more realistic than Supermodel Batgirl.
I dare you to say that to Eddie’s face. 
LOL, when Audra popped up with “Do your job” I almost drove off the road I laughed so hard. GWC might have to start issuing a disclaimer for listeners to avoid driving or operating heavy machinery while listening!
I recently rewatched Mr. Mom and was incredibly surprised at how good it was. Really really funny stuff. No more hating on Mr. Mom unless you have seen it in the last 20 years!
Two classic quotes
Jack Butler: You wanna beer?
Ron Richardson: It’s 7 o’clock in the morning.
Jack Butler: Scotch?
and
Jack Butler: I understand that you little guys start out with your woobies and you think they’re great… and they are, they are terrific. But pretty soon, a woobie isn’t enough. You’re out on the street trying to score an electric blanket, or maybe a quilt. And the next thing you know, you’re strung out on bedspreads Ken. That’s serious.