GWC Podcast #165: Trek XI

Actually I think the New Madrid fault is going to rupture by then and leave that rift in Iowa. :smiley: Makes more sense than a frakkin quarry in the middle of some of the plains best corn/bean/wheat producing soil.

Nice thots, Thot!!!

And thanks 4 sharing those pics of Spock and Uhura. That will make for some nice bunk time musing, iykwim.

–Frenchie

Okay, walk with me Lieutenant:

  • If a planet were close enough for Spock to visually watch Vulcan being destroyed it would have to be really, really close. Like a moon in orbit around Vulcan or whatever. Right? Right.

  • Vulcans have a sophisticated space-faring culture–been out in space longer than humans even, right? Right.

  • I’m thinking a moon of Vulcan is something that Vulcan would give their own name to. And it ain’t like they just developed space travel last week. And whatever the Vulcans named it would be what Star Fleet would call it. Right? Right.

  • Sooo, why the frak is the ice planet/moon where we first meet Scotty and Spock Prime called “Delta Vega”?

  • And dare I ask why it’s so cold on Delta Vega when nearby Vulcan is scorching hot planet-wide?

eh, maybe I protest too much. If I over analyze it too much, I’ll start to question why Vulcan is named Vulcan.

JJ to Geeks: IT’S A MOVIE!! Get A Life!! Move out of your mother’s basement. You. Yeah You. Have you ever kissed anyone?

Geeks respond

JJ: Um, oh you have…so you’re successful and have an active social life. You are intelligent and inquisitive. You say you love when writers respect that intelligence and offer intriguing concepts and challenges. Writers that actually understand science fiction and why it’s important to explain how things work. You grew up with Star Trek and became doctors, astronauts, scientist, and professionals because the show turned you on to it. Oh. Who knew?

Geeks: Just ask.

Well said. Exactly.

I am a late comer to this thread, forgive me if I repeat something someone already posted. Just listened to the ST XI podcast and wanted to comment.

Left the theater pretty high from the experience and felt hope for the first time in a long while that maybe the franchise will be reinvigorated. Once the halo effect of the movie wore off however a few minor things began to grate me, I know; we Geeks can be sooooo analytical.

I could forgive much if only they had done one simple thing. The Kelvin should have been a canon TOS vessel, with an interior and crew which were reminiscent of ‘The Cage’ or ‘Where no man has gone before’. And THEN after the encounter with the Romulan vessel have things start veering off course (continuity wise).

Because when the Kelvin arrived on screen and it was some goofy design that some concept artist had dreamed up, it ruined the whole idea of an alternate timeline. Because things were ALREADY screwed up before the vessel had even arrived. The next thing which set off alarms in my head was when Pike said, “Your Father saved 800 lives in 15 minutes…” 800 lives? There were no ships large enough to hold 800 crewmen until the TNG era! OK enough about that, I think I made my point.

My next issue is this-

Thats right, the new Enterprise is larger than our beloved ‘Alligator on ski’s’. That is Frak’in nutz! And what is with the Buzzlightyear engines? They look like another species designed them, /sigh.

And the music has no legs. Star Trek has always had music that stays with you as you leave the theater, and has a life of its own apart from the movie itself. I left the movie and could not even remember the music, or if there had even been a theme for the Enterprise during the movie.

And why had the SHAT not done the final narration? They could have thrown the poor guy THAT BONE couldn’t they? It would have been nice.

Anyways I will still support the franchise despite my gripes, I want it to live on. I survived ST V, I can survive this. :slight_smile: I like the fact that people who were unfamiliar with it will be inclined to rediscover it now, or people who had become apathetic about it will have renewed interest in it.

I dislike the new ship aesthetics (except the utility craft) and so will not be inclined to buy any models, but I will purchase other merchandise to encourage the promotion of other ST projects down the road. Maybe there will be a TV show in our future, an anthology series hosted by Q or a Timeship series would be nice. A man can dream can’t he?..

Jumping Jefferies Tubes!! I didn’t know that. Nice find and Welcome, Omra.

Gotta disagree. The track entitled ‘Labor of Love’ which happens when Kirk’s parents say their goodbyes, pulled me into the film. It was filled with so much emotion.

But I will give you that it’s not an outstanding soundtrack.

It is good ‘Program Music’, it meshes well with the film. He did Cloverfeild, and scored the Lost series, so he is good at complimenting Abram’s visual style which is more than likely how he got the gig.

I am simply stating that apart from the film it does not have a life of its own or any ‘theme’ that stays with you as you leave the theater. I love soundtracks, I am an ‘old fart’ who went to movies before VHS existed for home use. So the only way for me to relive a movie once it left the theater was to listen to the soundtrack with my eyes closed.

I downloaded the soundtrack from iTunes in preparation for the movie and never found anything that struck me as interesting until ‘Nero’s death scene’. which is about 3/4’s of the way through the score. Other music fans have agreed with me that is was rather lackluster, it does its appointed job well but does not have the legs to stand alone.

That does not mean it has no artistic value or unworthy of praise, it simply means that unlike the other Trek soundtracks in my collection I have no desire to revisit it on a regular basis like the others.

And Thank You for the welcome BTW.

I’m a soundtrack geek, as well. I own the LotR, Star Wars, Star Trek, Babylon 5, and BSG soundtracks. I think the soundtrack suffers from the incredible fast pace of the film. There is hardly any, if any, moments of contemplation.

I’d give it 3 stars outta 5. It did the job but only left a minimal impression. That being said, I haven’t been blown away by a Star Trek soundtrack since Star Trek III. ‘The Katra Ritual’ is amazing.

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Pacing is a very good point, I had not considered that… And something which has come to mind is that this movie is about a diverse group of people coming together and becoming a team. Maybe now that they are cohesive unit they will merit a theme.

Perhaps they felt it inappropriate for them to have one until they came together as a true crew.

I don’t know it is just a theory…

And a pretty good one, which brings up something I’ve been thinking about lately. I think the next film will be a more daunting task than the last. Now that they have established the look and feel of the new Trek, will they fall into the pit hole of the TNG films and just rehash the same cookie-cutter plot? Or will they really give what Trek fans really want, an intriguing, intelligent plot? The cynic says, “Star Trek, Act II”.

Whenever I feel this way I often pose a challenge to myself, “What are you waiting for? Stop complaining and hoping. Go create something, you’d like to see.”

Yeah, mate. When I read earlier in this thread about what you expected Star Wars: Attack of the Clones was gonna be, I said to myself “Holy craap, Attack of the Clones would have been 10 times better if Frakkintalos wrote it.”:wink:

I believe they call that “Damning with faint praise.”

Normally yes, but Talos has a pretty nifty idea there.

I thot it was silly that the Enterprise was built on Earth (and not in space) in the movie. And now that you tell me it’s many times larger than the original Enterprise I gotta say it’s even MORE ridiculous that it was shown being built on the ground. There would be no reason why that would make any sense.

Awww.

That is what I thought when the commercials were showing it being constructed…

But artistically it is a cool scene when he rides up and looks at it, you have to admit. Even if the logical side of you is blowing silent raspberries as you view it. :stuck_out_tongue:

At least I hope they were silent, for the sake of the person sitting in front of you!:wink:

Given how large you say it was, wouldn’t it be quite visible from the surface while it orbit? Even if Kirk needed binoculars for a detailed shot, it could have made a more dramatic scene with him looking out to the stars before he decides to join SFA…

Oh I totally admit it was a great scene visually, and it didn’t bother me in the slightest while watching the movie. It’s just after the fact.
It’s just a another example that movie makers don’t seem to respect science even in the slightest. And that seems a reflection of the reality that our society doesn’t respect science at all. Oh, we look the cool stuff that technology provides, but no respect for what makes it possible.

Have to agree. The only part of the score that moved me was the beginning during George’s sacrifice and goodbye. The rest of it was pretty unremarkable. Michael Giacchino does great work on LOST, and if you really want to hear a great score by him, check out this year’s Pixar offering, “UP”. The little waltz that becomes the main theme is really heartbreaking, but it also ends up working for other emotions throughout the film, used strategically. Very cool music there.