GWC Podcast #160: Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

I may be misreading you, but I think not noticing the lack of bra would make you the exact opposite of a male pig.

Oh, Absolutely. Half the fun is figuring out what happens off screen that enables all these shenanigans…

Spock: “Admiral, I fail to see the logic in my funding supporting both you and I. The funds distribution and expenditure should be equally balanced among all members”

Kirk: “Yes, but Spock! The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one… remember?”

Hey guys,

For everyone trying to imagine what the Enterprise looks like at the Smithsonian, I took this shot back in 2005. All I had was my cellphone.

I think it is just a humorous moment. It also made a woman look a bit stronger. Yes very over thought.

Hey, I had to add a few words to my post… I wrote it quickly and noticed I missed a few. Sorry.

And thanks for calling me the opposite of a male pig, but I am still embarrassed I never noticed tho.

Thanks for sharing this awesome pic. I simply must get there to see it in person some day!

As I recklessly respond before reading the rest of the thread - there is a rewatch of TOS episodes on Tuesday nights :slight_smile: you should join us!

Look, I wouldn’t call myself a feminist or anything, but here’s the protocol. When someone invites you to dinner, the person inviting pays.
She invited him, so she should pay. No no wait. I’m wrong about that. He inivited her. He’s the one who said “We’d be much happier discussing this over dinner.” Right?
Okay, so yeah, he should have paid.

Having spent way more money than we wanted to on a fabulous weekend vacay a few months ago in SF… 20 bucks doesn’t go a long way. :wink:

This is the start of something wonderful - you guys have me chuckling to myself over here :slight_smile:

GWC Crew, not nit-picking y’all, but the audio seemed a little off on this 'cast… Before the next one, can you check your gear, maybe adjust for density, temperature and salinity factors?

I’m not a tech-head, so that’s just a guess. I’ve seen it done, though; it should only take a few seconds.

I kid, I kid

Damn, you had me there.

Wooot!!! I FOUND IT. It was in a box I packed when we moved 8 years ago. Star Fleet Technical Manual, 1st Edition, published November, 1975

Yeah, yeah. Bowling alley is in engineering. I know. Still doesn’t make any sense…

Damn you Franz Joseph!!

On page 1:03:12 it shows a diagram and pattern for the Duty Uniform-Female.
And I swear on a pack Tribbles this is true:
The diagram shows that the bottom hem of the Star Fleet Duty Uniform-Female measures 7.6 cm from the crotch.:slight_smile: 7.6 cm…no, that’s no typo, no mis-placed decimal: 7.6 cm :slight_smile:

Well yeah. That’s why Uhuru wore the red undies.

I believe that. Those skirts are so short, you can see Yeoman Rand’s tonsils. Is there a minimum hair height requirement, too?

No, tonsils is not IYKWIM for anything else.

I’ve been reliably informed these aren’t undies, but rather “spankies” – undie-like garb worn over undies by cheerleaders, volleyball players, and, apparently, female TOS crew.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spankies

Thankfully, they seem to issue spankies in handy, job-matching colors: red for security and coffee-getting and blue fore science. But apparently they don’t make command-gold spankies during the TOS era.

OTOH, we do see a TNG engineer in a “kilt” later, indicating that maybe they do offer gold, um, protective garments later. Hopefully.

Okay, now let’s talk about cleavage. (I swear these are all straight out of the Star Fleet Technical Manual):

p.1.03.10 The diagram and pattern for Star Fleet Duty Uniform-Male. Just one for all male officers.(Males are given 11.0 cm of junk space in the crotch.)

p.1.03.12 The diagram and pattern for Star Fleet Duty Uniform-Female, all Officers except Ensign. Collar is much looser than the male’s, showing a little more chest skin.

p.1.03.14 The diagram and pattern for Star Fleet Duty Uniform-Female. Ensign-grade. Collar is looser than the uniform above—touching the tip of the division insignia, allowing some decent cleavage to be displayed.

p.1.03.16 The diagram and pattern for Star Fleet Duty Uniform-Female. Medical Ensign (Nurse). Collar is way looser and wider than the above, reaching the middle of the division insignia, falling about 1/3 of the way down the left breast. You can drive a shuttcraft through the cleavage area. Toplessness is only a hair’s breath away.

Oh, and did I already mention the 7.6 cm skirt hem-to-crotch dimension?

Yup… Star Trek paints such a positive picture of equality between the sexes in our future.:o

Just rewatched with the husband. What really got me was the music! At times, during some of the hilarious chase scenes and drama it sounded like the music that was used in Gilligan’s Island when the Skipper and Gilligan would get into misunderstanding/shenanigans. Awesome.

Though I thot the time travel sequence, at least the first one, was a little hokey, upon reflection I have to say that at least the issue of its incredibleness was addressed, and I love that it was in a non-literal way, though the cartoon heads were little distracting.

Biology girl boobs didn’t really shock me as much as the swinging leather outfit that Chekov was sporting.

Damn, 8 pages of posts before I can listen to the podcast and contribute! I remember some BSG episodes that didn’t have so much early activity!

To the caller: the half-Romulan, half-Klingon woman was in a novel, The Ashes of Eden by (supposedly) William Shatner (really mostly by Garfield and Judith Reeves-Stevens). You know, those novels weren’t great, but I appreciated how they tried to retcon V’Ger, the TOS crew’s penchant for stumbling across planets with the exact same geography as Earth, and the energy barrier at the edge of the galaxy.

Audra: I’ll have you know “America” hasn’t won the World Series every year. Canada’s Toronto Blue Jays won it back to back in 1992 and 1993, and the Montreal 'Spos would probably have won in '94 if it hadn’t been for the damned lockout. (And don’t give me 'Canada is part of North America craaaap… “America” by itself only refers to one country, as any non-American will happily tell you…)

A few things bothered me about the time travel when I saw this movie at 16 years old. First, it turns out nobody invented transparent aluminum! The knowledge was given to the “inventor”, then passed down through the engineering fraternity to Scotty, who gave it to the inventor, etc. Time loops are crazy! Also those glasses: they’re stuck in a time loop, so they were either never manufactured or two versions of them exist simultaneously. If they’re the same version that Kirk gets as a present, they’re an infinite number of years old!

About Gillian’s breasts: they may have been hanging out there (and as a 16-year-old boy I certainly noticed that!), but at least they weren’t glowing blue…

For an excellent treatment as to how Sarek could bring himself to marry a human, read the ST novel “Sarek” by A.C. Crispin.

The movie’s impression of underwater acoustics is all wrong. Sound propagates differently underwater, the lower frequencies travelling further and all frequencies traveling faster than in air, but the frequencies don’t actually shift or the tempo slow down.

About the crew looking four years older a few weeks later: hey, they’d just been through a very harrowing experience! Seriously, it reminds me of Angel, who’s supposedly an ageless vampire yet looks about 20 years older on the last season of Angel from the first season of Buffy.

The helmsman in Mudd’s Women: was that Lt. Leslie? It’s been a long time…

Audra, if you want proof that the phenomenon of people putting other people down in order to build themselves up is timeless, read Cicero’s letters. He’s very catty!

Lastly, I think phallic helmets are not unique to Vulcan: