GWC Podcast #160: Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

Up this week: Trek IV! Highlights: We tackle the changing faces of Saavik, discuss the awesome Trek TOS relationships and how they play into this time travel classic, guffaw at the crew’s fast-and-free play with timelines (all the way back to Naked Time), wonder what happened to the second pizza Kirk ordered, enjoy the II-III-IV extended story arc, hear Chuck’s explaination(s) for the whale barge and communications volleyball, question who else Bones might’ve cured while wandering the hospital, and get a big kick from the latest Audra report.

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Downloading the podcast now . You guys are fast. I have a day of yard work ahead of me and GWC will definitely fortify me. Whoo hoo.:slight_smile:

I agree with NothingButTheRain, your podcasts get me through my 8 to 5 Saturday schedule. I can’t thank you three enough. :slight_smile:

This is my favorite of the TOS movies, and the first one I saw in theaters as a kid. It also gave me the fodder for my first call into the podcast, back during the rewatch of “The Hand of God.” When the Three were trying to figure out how champagne could be kept in those thin bottles in the celebration scene at the end of the episode, I called in with the Scotty quote: “Transparent aluminum. Is it worth somethin’ to ya, laddy?”

There is an episode of DS9 (I believe it is the episode that features the DS9 crew being part of the TOS episode The Trouble with Tribbles) where Sisko is being investigated by Star Fleet’s temporal enforcement branch. Somehow Kirk gets mentioned and the temporal enforcement officer has a very bad reaction basically saying how Kirk was (at least from the temporal enforcement point of view) a very bad man.

That was Trials and Tribble-ations season 5.

Hi Guys,

Huh…thanks (I think) for asking for my scientific opinion. I do have some relevant data, but I probably shouldn’t publish as I don’t want to incriminate myself or my colleagues…

Anyway, question about the 1/2 Vulcan/ 1/2 Romulan Savak thing. Don’t the movies only take place about 15-20 years after the original series? And hadn’t it been established that no one from the Federation (including Vulcans) had even seen what Romulans looked like until the OS?

Just curious…

Great Scott! She must be Spock’s daughter! He did get in on with that Romulan Commander after all!

Hey guys

As always - loving the cast.

Sean (gonna have to bust ya) - you brought up something that always kinda nagged at me. Kirk was Captain. Spock was still Captain since II. Scotty was Captain of Engineering even. So I think…Kirk was Captain Monday, Wednesday Friday - Spock was Captain Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday and they flipped for Sundays. :smiley: Honestly, as far I know, there was never an explanation for that–they were both just captains.

And Audra…you keep right on noticing those boobs!! Can’t believe I missed those!

And to all the haters of Trek V…yeah it isn’t Trek II, III or IV, but still there are some good things to take out of it. The part regarding McCoys dad is really interesting. So go rent it. Hell i thought Ghost Rider and The Spriit were hours I wasnt getting back…but Eva Mendes was in them looking hot…so I could take that away. Eba Mendes = finding something cool…giiggedy

But either way…can’t wait for the new Trek flick…I’m ready…

Looking forward to the Trek VI cast…

Oh yeah, the “Captain” thing. In the original (d6) Traveller, they mentioned that Marine Captains got a 'brevet promotion" when on a “Navy” (Space Navy) ship, since there could be only one “Captain” on a ship. I always assumed that was taken from real tradition, but I can’t find a citation.

I served onboard the USS Enterprise CVN-65 and we had multiple officers with the rank of Captain (O6) but we had only one “Captain” of the ship. The other O6 Captains were referred to as their job title…Chief Engineer --> Cheng… Reactor Officer - RO etc…

But as an aside… the “Captain” of any Navy vessel can be any rank…many of the hovercrafts (LCA’s ??) “Captains” are enlisted people.

Love the podcast.

We’re in the middle of the podcast, but my wife is telling me to post this Right now.
David Bowie in Labrynth fits the description almost, Audra. But I don’t think anyone has ever taken him seriously.

I have watched this movie dozens of times and have never associated it with anything relating to sexuality or boobage. I thought it was odd that Audra noticed it and was so passionate about it. I am obviously not watching close enough and I would appreciate it if Audra would make sure and let us know about this in future rewatches. A weekly “Audra Boob Report” would be a welcome addition. :wink:

One of the classics. Khan indoctrinated me, but The Voyage Home is probably tied with Ghostbusters for film I watched most as a kid. Everybody seems to have some connection to this movie; I was cast as an extra in a film by the casting director for ST4; my aunt and uncle are friends with the actor who played one of the cops who chases them out of the hospital. All the footage of the whales that’s not stock footage is actually of remote controlled robots. Leonard Nimoy directed, of course, as well as ST3. Then Shatner took over for ST5, which was, sadly, my first theater Trek experience. I know you guys defend it; I certainly don’t think it’s entirely without merit. For one thing it introduces the coolest hand phaser in history, that gnarly hooded black jobber also known as the “assault phaser.” But having been so taken with 2-4, it was kind of a sock to the gut to go into this with such high expectations and to come away with this. I kind of feel that Insurrection and Nemesis suffered from the same kind of over-cutesy, jokey dialogue that kind of killed this one. Clearly you can do funny and light right, like The Voyage Home, but some of these seem to do so at the expense of any real development of either plot or character. But hey, everyone’s entitled to their opinion, right? Like X-Men 3. I didn’t dislike it for being different from the comics (were that the case, I wouldn’t have liked 1 & 2, both of which I really dug). I just felt very unsatisfied with where they took the story and the characters and the universe they’d established. It should be noted that not everyone who dislikes a certain piece of art is a closed-minded, anhedonic hater. Sometimes we just disagree. I hated Babylon 5 and loved Starship Troopers. But I’d never try to convince someone who felt the reverse that they were just being TOO open-minded, and dislike the notion that for not liking something I’m not being open-minded enough. Different strokes and that.

I think that if the absence of Gillian’s bra was given any thought from a production standpoint, it would go to Kirk’s role in the mission, and what has Kirk’s role always been?..to bag the babe.
It would be within the tradition of the scantily clad female that is always the target of Kirk’s sexual conquest (for the mission).
It isn’t entirely sexist though, she does dump him in the end for her career. Chalk one up for intelligence.
Also, from someone who lives near San Francisco, going braless is not that uncommon. :slight_smile:

Haven’t listened to the 'cast yet, but I’m assuming this has to do with a certain whale expert and a cold museum.

Free speech and you know what you like. I enjoy a good debate on just about anything. That does not make some one wrong or right. Now if you said I hate all Star Trek then there might be a fight. :smiley:

I am off to listen to the podcast on the way to the ASPA shelter. I do not mind the boob report idea as long as we do not loose the hair report. :smiley:

I wish I could join in but its hard finding a cheap way to check it out the movies . You can’t rent them on itunes or find them streaming online.Wit Forrent moves slowly.Once it finishes,I’ll have a whole block of podcasts to go through. That will be cool.

Hi all! My first post after listening for a long time!

There was some discussion on this week’s cast about the definition and relative rank of commodore.

Usually it was a naval rank higher than Captain but lower than Rear Admiral. It was often granted in times of war to a captain who found himself in command of more than one ship but not in charge of a fleet. However, it has had different meanings in different cultures at different times in history.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/commodore

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