Did we find out that Caprica 6 was pregnant with Saul’s child before or after the HUB was destroyed? Is there a link?
The Hub was ep 9, I think we found out about Cap6’s pregnancy in ep 10
Any chance that the destruction of the Hub somehow enabled procreation among Cylons?
Someone (maybe Chuck) picked up on the Cen"TAURIANS" versus Centurians. Then there was the whole starfield reference made that some backdrop in the show lined up (Constellation wise) with a near earth location. Isn’t ALPHA CENTAURI nearby? Maybe “erf” is really Alpha Centauri and the fleet is pretty darn close to the real earth.
Prefaced with the “I-haven’t-read-the-thread-and-am-not-quite-done-with-the-podcast” bit…
I’ve been loving this one.
It’s bringing back all of the ideas I had while watching the ep for the first time last weekend.
Great job, Chuseandra!
No call show? 
I just started listening to the podcast, and forgive me if somebody else said this already on the forum (I haven’t read ahead so I don’t get spoiled on the podcast), but I have to tell you, I got just as far as Audra saying, “Throw Anders in the bed.”
I have NO idea what she said after that. 
Whew!
Welcome aboard to all the new forum peeps! Keep those posts coming 
I think they all had their own head people - others in this thread (sorry there were too many posts to remember exactly who said what!) theorized that they were agents that brought about/warned of the apocalypse. I tend to think that the headbeings are more like angels (of the OneTrueGod?) as opposed to harbingers of the apocalypse. Particularly since HeadSix, HeadBaltar (and HeadLeoben?) all show up AFTER the attack on the Twelve Colonies.
I like the way you think, sir.
I think that might have been an oversight on Cavil’s part - the Raiders could still identify the FF (I believe, Anders out there in a Viper was the first time we saw a FF come face to face with a Raider) as opposed to the Centurions (I think that inhibitor of higher level functions might have erased that memory from the Centurions, too…). But it’s an excellent question.
I assumed that they were aware of the cyclical nature of their history and were just trying to make the universe better - not because they were aware of any immediate danger, but because they knew that the possibility for that danger was there.
I see where you’re coming from with the apology for John Cavil, but I have to disagree. He is jealous and self-centered and does not consider (or considers unimportant) the impact (negative) that his quest for godhood has on those around him, including his brother and sister cylons. Evidently, his free will and desire is more important than anyone else’s. And that just doesn’t sit right with me.
Well, we know their relationship was love and liquor 
No, seriously, Ellen had to have been introduced before the attacks because Adama knew her, as did Tigh (as his wife).
Right, what you said.
Yes, yes, and yes. I also think this relates to the theme of being worthy to survive, if we’re going for the overarching themes of the show.
I have to disagree yet again with you, grey. Part of what I loved about this episode was the literariness of it - I love metafiction, I love intertextuality (woohoo postmodernism!), etc. It is a rare show that actually has this level of intelligent intertextuality, as opposed to referring to itself (or to another tv show - it’s jumping mediums, which I like).
I also don’t think that it’s supposed to make us thing that their world is our world (I have the same opinions as the Dylan stuff), but rather see it as a construction that I find appealing. When overdone (or done badly), me no like. But I think that for No Exit, Sartre and Milton are indispensable and really push us to think about the philosophy behind what the characters are saying.
I’m also sitting doctoral exams in literary studies in about a month. It’s my passion.
Grey, I really don’t understand your hostility to the allusions in this episode. I had the opposite reaction entirely.
I don’t think that the moral ambiguity of this show is at all “airlocked,” as you say, but rather that the focus has shifted. Has this changed, for example, our discomfort at seeing humans suicide bombing cylons? The moral issues involved in the administration of the fleet? What about when Adama and Co. wanted to commit genocide-by-virus? I think this just gives us yet another lens through which to consider these characters and through them our own humanity.
Actually, spouse asked me yesterday if “your Battlestar people” had said anything about that. My answer (to his question and yours) is yes.
This would match well too with what we’ve been told about what happened to the 13th tribe, except perhaps much more gradually–they forgot about resurrection technology and increasingly reproduced biologically.
Of course, that could mean that Cavil would have had time to get Boomer pregnant before she left with Ellen. Poor Chief would have another babydaddy to worry about.
The Pythia cycle goes like this:
Cycle 0.
God creates the 13 Lords of Kolbol. (creation of life)
12 Lords fight one of the Lords. (conflict)
God exiles them to Kolbol. (exile)
Cycle 1:
“Lords of Kolbol” create 12 Tribes of Humanity
12 Tribes of Humanity creates Cylon 1.0
Cylon 1.0 revolts against 12 Tribes Humanity (WAR)
Cylon 1.0 evolves from resurrecting machines into “Skin-Jobs” (13th Tribe) and begin to procreate biologically.
“Lord of Kolbol” force Humanity and 13th Tribe Off Kolbol (and it opposite directions for good measure).
12 Tribes settle in one region of the galaxy, the 13 in another.
Cycle 2:
The 13 Tribe SkinJobs create Cylons 2.0
“Lord of Kolbol” direct the Five to recreate resurrection technology.
Cylon’s 2.0 revolt against the 13th Tribe. The resurrected Five survive.
The Five wander the galaxy looking for the other 12 Tribes to warn them.
Cycle 3:
The 12 Tribes create Cylons 3.0.
Cylon’s 3.0 revolt against the 13 tribe.
The 5 convince the Cylons 3.0 to end the revolt, and leave the 12 colonies. In exchange they create 8 new “Skin Job” models that resurrect only.
Cycle 4:
New “Skin Job” #1 John Cavil revolts against the Five, kills #7, and reprograms #2,#3,#4,#5,#6, and #8 to forget the Five and #7.
New 7 create Cylon’s 4.0 (new hybrid raider, new centurion) install inhibitors to prevent higher functions and possible revolt. The new 7 enhance resurrection technology but are not successful in procreating.
The Five are resurrected with false memories, and placed on the colonies to witness the destruction of humanity.
Cycle 6.
The New 7 and Cylon 4.0 destroy the colonies. Humanity and the 5 escape and search for Earth. Instead humanity chooses to settle on hidden “New Caprica”
Cycle 6.
The New 7 and Cylon 4.0 arrive on “New Caprica” and being occupation.
Humanity and the Five revolt against the The New 7 and the Cylon 4.0.
Humanity and the Five resume search for Earth. One of the Five sacrificed.
Cycle 7 (a continuation from cycle 4) .
The New 7 split into factions over inhibiting higher functions on the Raiders and Centurions 4.0, and the search of the Five.
One faction removes the inhibitor, joins the humans and the Final 4, and destroy resurrection technology. This faction finds the destroyed Cycle 2 Earth. Cylons and Humans realize that the cycle is ongoing and attempt to end the cycle.
New Cycle 8.
Humanity splits over alliance with rebel Cylon’s. Colonial government based on 12 tribes destroyed. Roslyn and Galactica are dying, Adama is ill.
Ending…
Great 1st post 19MFL68! Welcome to the forum.
Agreed. Great summary of the Pythia cycle! The only thing I would add is that in Cycles 6-8 the Lords of Kobol make a reappearance as Head Beings to ensure the humans don’t get comfortable and continue towards Earth via Baltar, interfere with Cavil’s plan to exterminate the humans and actually create a Cylon/Human alliance via Caprica 6, and reveal the location of Earth via Starbuck.
If a bunch of elements are tied together via something as cheap as a deux ex machina, I’ll feel a bit cheated, though so much of the show is already great it wouldn’t sour my opinion of the show. I just wonder if in my mind the show wouldn’t end about 60 seconds before 4.0 ends…
Nice going, thanks.
Welcome to the Forum, 19MFL68.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
Deux ex shipoflight. We have even had a preview:
Didn’t get around to it this week?
It’s sort of hard to believe that nobody on set noticed two people mispronounce “centurions”, and then nobody during editing noticed and asked the actors to ADR their lines. It makes one think it wasn’t a mistake. But I suppose anything’s possible.
The first time they showed Erf, and were suspiciously unforthcoming about the continetns, I thought, “It’s a nearby star system with virtually identical constellations!” But the major problem with that theory is that there are several very bright, very close to Sol stars that would change position dramatically even 4.4 light years away in Alpha Centauri, the closest star to Sol. For example, Sirius, the brightest star in the sky with magnitude -1.5, would shift from Canis Major to Orion, since it’s only 8.6 light years away. The second-brightest, Canopus, wouldn’t shift much, since it’s 300 light years away. Altair and Procyon, in the top 12 brightest stars, would shift a lot, and Arcturus a bit. Plus of course there’d be a hole in Centaurus where Alpha Centauri used to be, and Proxima Centauri (the third, dim star in the system after Alpha Centauri A or B) would be visible as a dim, magnitude 4.5 star… since it moves fast, only a quarter of a light year away from the binary Alpha Centauri A and B, it could be anywhere in the sky. And then there’s Sol, which would appear as a top-10 bright star (magnitude +0.5) about halfway between Epsilon Cassiopeiae and Gamma Perseii; either extending the W of Cassiopeia to /// or giving Perseus a silly high pointy hat… or possibly giving Camelopardis (the giraffe) an extremely long tail, or other part of the anatomy extending backwards from its crotch… ahem.
I guess it depends how they’re evaluating the starfield. One would think a computer would pick up the differences immediately. If it’s just a question of Gaeta looking at two pictures, he might miss the differences. And the, the temple on Kobol seemed to focus on the Zodiac constellations, and those would be mostly unchanged. Also, it depends what Latitude and time of year and night the temple showed the sky at. It showed the 12 zodiac constellations at once, which is impossible since they never all appear in the night sky together, so the starfield was obviously distorted. I seem to remember it showed the zodiac right-side up, so it showed the northern hemisphere, where most of the bright stars are.
It’s possible for Alpha Centauri A or B to have a habitable planet, they’re far enough away from each other for that.
Of course, this is fiction. They’re already throwing out the laws of physics with their FTL drives and magical Tylium fuel, what’s a little distorted astronomy between friends?
(Yes, I’m a big anal retentive nerd.)
Yeah, but Solai that clearly was revealed to be the rebel Basestar leaking/venting plasma (or whatever) - or did I miss something?
Ok, I know this is getting corny, but I mean it.
"ISN’T IT 10 YET !!
This is quite a ride.
Next thought, what if 12 of the Lords are really at odds with the 13 Lord (aka the Cylon God)? While that conflict continues the cycle of Pythia will not stop…