GWC Podcast #146: Two Hours With Richard Hatch

There’s a lot of biographical information on RH in the episode and how he got into acting.

As for the audio quality (shrug) I’ve never noticed but I am not overly sensitive to that sort of thing.

The very first (available) GeeksOn podcast is about three of the geeks trying to convince Aaron to watch the series (I think this was after the first season had ended). In the 100th episode they call back that episode and Aaron admits that his initial opinion of BSG was wrong.

I enjoyed the way the hosts trying pushing RH on the show and I wish I understood more of the nuances of what RH was trying to say.

I aggree with everything he said except the whole Cain thing. Maybe I missed his point, but I think he was on crack when I first heard it. When I heard his defence, I get where he is coming from, I still disagree.

I think Cain was a bad leader. She did not earn the respect of her crew, she earned their fear. Sure, this kept them in line, but this led to reckless, and deadly behavior that led to tortured prisoners, a hot shot cocky cocky group of pilots, and attempted rape. She did not need to stat shooting up civiians. She did not need to shoot her first officer. She did not need to act like a complete jerk to a officer even before the colonies were destroyed.

She told Starbuck she was ready to turn back to Caperica, fight the cylons head on, and get everyone killed. I’m not saying shes any better than Adama, but I am saying, if she is better than Adama, it certainly doesn’t make her a gbood leader.

Okay I know this has been discussed, but I really feel passionate about this. If Tori sucks with the power of 1000 suns plus one, Cain sucks with the power of 1000 suns plus two.

I think Mr. Hatch isn’t saying that within the confines of the BSG:Reimagining Cain made the right decision.

He was saying had the show been even more realistic about a bunch of lost people in a very hostile environment, they probably couldn’t have taken every civilian.

That’s why he used the Moses and the exodus wondering in the desert for 40 years for an example. In a realistic world, it’d be difficult to move just 20 people across the desert in the shortest amount of time. Imagine how realistic is it if Moses really had “ALL” of the Egypt’s Jewish slaves with him.

How are they going to find water? For all those people, in the desert, being lost at the same time?

But of course that wasn’t a realistic story and god was aiding Moses. In real world if someone got any group of people lost in the desert for more than a year, I think there’d be some kind of serious rear kicking going on.

Putting that in the BSG universe, it would have been difficult enough to run with a group of civilians. But Cain wasn’t even planning to make an escape. She had no illusion of Earth, and she didn’t plan to lie to her people that Earth existed like Adama did. She planned to turn and fight the Cylons, and how realistic is it to have a civilian fleet with her?

In her mind those civilians would have died going with or without her.

In a more well know by the west era of Chinese history, called the Romance of 3 Kingdoms, there was a famous battle called the Battle of the Long Bridge Hill. Where Liu Bei lost his city to Cao Cao’s advancing troops and decided to make a run for it down the Yangzi River. With 5,000 of Cao Cao’s elite cavalry chased down Liu Bei’s 2,000 retreating infantry, a group 10,000 civilians came in front of Liu Bei and begged him to take them with him.

Against everyone’s objection, Liu Bei agreed and promised to take them along, and when the 5,000 cavalry arrived, Liu Bei’s infantry crumbled and Liu fled for his dear life, deserting his wifes and only son.

Guess what happened to the 10,000 civilians…

Whether she was a martinet or not - I’m starting an Adm. Cain fan club. I expect a small, but testy, membership.

Wow Old Timer. That’s going to be a cannibalistic bunch! Watch your back! :smiley:

You know, right or wrong about Cain, RH has certainly lit up this thread.

(He’s wrong, BTW. Cain is evil. Didn’t he see the hair???)

So, I can count you out as a charter member of her fan club?

You’re assuming that evil doesn’t do it for him?

Look…Cain wasn’t evil. Did she have a goatee? No? Case closed. :smiley:

Cain tried to do some good things. She was undermined by her subordinates, and could not be expected to know what all of them were up to, given the pressures of her job.

Are you in? (All charter members get to role play gunning down somebody in a second rate reproduction of CIC.)

So - you’re in? Another special feature of Adm. Cain fan club membership is that when we meet (rarely), we all get to stand up for the entire session. You have to admit - that’s tough to pass on.

Maybe Gina made her shave it.

(BTW, it’s odd that the goatee has come to mean ‘evil X’ when mirror Spock was the only one in that 'verse who wasn’t. /nerdout)

Perk #3. Everybody gets their own mole. Placement optional.

TG - we’re trying to build a membership base here. Not send people running for the exits.

Ok, I’m applying for Cain fan club membership and all it’s perks (?), based on the prereq that I can be ‘testy’.

Ix-nay on the mole, thanks anyway.:rolleyes:

LOL! OK, I removed the visual. Better? :smiley:

You’re in. That makes 2 of us. Charter membership will close one week from today. 5 PM CST. Immediately thereafter we’ll get to work on our apologia and rationalizations for our heroine’s behavior, as well as practice our standing for extended periods of time.

TG has come to his senses re the mole.

Yes. The concept was better than the reality.

Would you settle for ‘toasty?’

Mmm-mm-mm

Kindly do not interfere with our plans for what I am confident is going to be an enormous success.