I’ll be honest…
Dirk can go frak himself for all I care…
I can’t stand people like him…
Sigh. I suppose I’m ready to be culled from the forum or redacted or something, but IM-not-so-HO, Mr. Hatch is bit of a windbag. A windbag with some interesting opinions to be sure, but still. I was good to go after the first hour.
The idea of creating a sort of specialty sci-fi that could be delivered to the audience using non-TV means and payment methods sounds good to me; with him on that.
The idea that being ruthless somehow makes your decisions more worthy (that whole ‘Cain’ discussion’) doesn’t sit well with me at all. But then again, I don’t think survival at the sacrifice of your colleagues is a great prime directive.
Your mileage may vary.
This takes nothing away from the Big Three’s accomplishments at rounding up the interview. Great work as always. And props to Audra for trying to re-focus his commentary back on BSG, time and again.
Solai, do we delete the account straight away? Or change all his posts to embarassing “confessionals” first?
I keed! I keed! Thoughtful opinions are all we ask for.
Chastise me if you will, but don’t change my gender. :eek:
Hiker, I couldn’t agree with you more. I’m glad to see, after lurking for the last day, that I’m not the only one who thought Hatch was longwinded. Thou, like everyone else I agree he’s got a good idea about financing good tv shows.
Well - you might want to breeze through the posts from the start of the thread. You have more company than you think.
Us wimmins 'n R wimmin parts must be ruining teh sience fickshun.
Sorry, I don’t think I can ever watch TOS now. Well, maybe I can, if I follow Lucky’s example of heavy drinking and snarky commentary…
FYI, Hiker (and others) you’re not alone. I don’t agree with Mr. Hatch on many points. Is he a “windbag” because I don’t agree with him? Not at all. I think around these parts you’ll find a lot of respect for your opinions – regardless of whether everyone agrees with 'em or not. All we ask from you is the same. 
For example, you can hear me say as we wrap up the podcast that I can’t get behind the “Cain is good because she made the hard call” argument. But it (along with Mr. Hatch’s other points) did force me to ask myself a pretty important question: Given that you do at times need strong individual leadership and checks and balances on that leadership to prevent the foolish errors any individual will make from time to time, how does one strike that balance?
Or more specifically in terms of the fleet, what governmental system would both prevent “mob rule” decisions (like settling on New Caprica) while also preventing individual cock-ups (like splitting the fleet in season two)?
One answer’s certain: We haven’t seen the colonials give any system of government a real chance. It’s hard to argue that Adamlin has pretty much run the show regardless of what government they “respect” at the time.
I can get behind Mr. Hatch’s point that even in the real world it’s easy to give up freedoms and rights when threatened. Like with all important lines of thinking, moderation seems to be the key. How does one give up enough to protect one’s self while not giving up so much that there’s nothing left to protect? These are indeed questions worth asking.
One final thot: I came away from the podcast with the feeling that while Mr. Hatch doesn’t think he’s Zarek in real life, he did carry Zarek’s “revolutionary” nature along with him back into his own skin; He clearly feels that society can use a good pissing off every now and then. And honestly I can’t argue. So if you get a bit angry listening to his pro-Cain rant, don’t think it’s not on purpose. Maybe it’ll keep everyone on their toes such that the prevailing “moderate” viewpoint will make just a little more practical sense.
Pike…it is pronounced, “Thotful” 
That was something that struck me over the past couple podcasts. The actors seriously inhabit their characters. Richard, Luciana and Kandyse all had very definite ideas of what their characters were about, and why they were right (in the context of the show.) Which must have been extra tough on BSG because you never knew what the next page you were being handed contained.
This gave me a good laugh. Thanks, casilda!
Agreed! I was impressed that, as passionate as Mr. Hatch was about his opinions, he was totally willing to address my sort-of-dissenting questions. (I have to admit, it was nerve-wracking to keep questioning one of the big guys like that.)
I also wondered, like Pike, if perhaps RH is seeing the BSG Cain story somewhat through the lens of his own writing. It’d be interesting to read his stuff.
I thought RH’s points about Cain were very challenging - especially to usual notions of right and wrong and when, if ever, do ends justify means. He put into words (actually many words) some ideas that had been banging around in my head. Now you are in her shoes. Your entire civilzation has either been destroyed (40,000,000,000 probably dead) or (what is left) is struggling for survival. As far as you know, insofar as military strength is left - your ship is it.
Was her decision “evil”? “Wrong”? “Immoral”? She believes that she controls the last chance to save The Colonies, and for all she knows, humanity. To do so, she decides that she has no choice but to take unbearably harsh steps.
Knowing what she knew and having the resources that she had, believing that one had to fight on (what Adama wanted to do) - what would I do? Well, I would like to think that I would come up with some other humand, moral, effective solution, but I’ll be damned if I can think of one (other than what the RTF did). You cannot surrender. Glad that’s not a decision I’ll ever have to make - even remotely. (And remember, her call arguably is different from what the RTF did in leaving behind the ships without jump capability only in degree.)
Cain was indeed a “razor”. Just maybe truly desperate times need a razor or two.
Last point - assume that in WW II American prisoners, including civilians, were placed on Japanese ships with critical cargo to the war effort - in convoys. You are the commander of a U.S. fleet submarine with a clean shot at such a ship and know who is on it and what is in it. What do you do?
Now flip it - and I’ll leave this stuff to PJ hereafter - you’re the Japanese commander. The war goes poorly, but is hardly lost.However, if it is lost you have no reason to believe that the Allies will stop short of annilihation. Who know? All you know is that the war has been fought without quarter. The shipment is critical. Placing prisoners on the ship certainly will reduce the chances of an attack by an American sub - once Tokyo Rose broadcasts the information all across the Pacific. It’s your decision.
Ah, I don’t know how to do the quoting thingie yet, so this reply is for you, Chuck:
Hatch isn’t a ‘windbag’ because I disagree with some of his positions, he just frankly goes on too long for my attention span (or maybe just lack of patience as I grow older.)
Old Timer: you captured some of my thoughts as I was trying to determine ‘best course of action’: ie was Cain immoral, evil etc? I haven’t gotten further than I was yesterday: is the most important thing to survive, whatever the cost? Is it ‘moral’ to let humanity die or moral to keep at least some core of humanity alive? If it’s me at the helm, we’re all going down together. Is that right? Is there a right choice or just a choice?
As for your WWII example: bring it up to the present day. People in Gaza are firing rockets your way. You know if you shoot back, you’ll take out schools, relief agencies etc… In the end, in both situations, I think you shoot them down. But in these cases, you are killing few (even if it’s the wrong few) to save the many.
The BSG situation strikes me as different and frankly more desperate: more of a Sophie’s Choice, perhaps.
Actually I think the word for him is craaapbag.
Wow. This was a really awesome interview/podcast. I guess I’m probably one of those people who never knew Hatch had such a huge involvement in BSG related things outside of the TV show (other than him being in the old BSG, of course. But I never knew he wrote BSG stories/manga as well.) I’ve always thought he wasn’t a big fan of the new show to begin with.
Anyway, I love hearing his in depth perspective of the political situation on the BSG, even though I don’t share some of his thoughts, I can certainly say that at the very least, I understand it a bit better now, which is always good.
I am still a bit in awe how you guys just chatted with him for 2 hours. Wow. I guess there’s no going back to those measly one hour podcast anymore, eh? Not that I’m complaining, of course.
P.S. I still think Cain was evil. That devil hair!
P.P.S. Heh! I just read the whole windbag comment. Some people are like that, but it doesn’t discount what they’re saying overall…though I suppose he could have been more concise. Not everyone can be great at podcasting, yeah?
P.P.P.S. With GWC’s mad connections now to the show, I’m definitely expecting some redcoat characters to be named Chuck, Audra, or Sean.
It seemed that way to me…we women are apparently to blame for all of the PC in the television/film industry. :rolleyes: Dude apparently has a chip on his shoulder the size of his ego.
For those interested I would point to another podcast which has another very long and great interview with Richard Hatch
This one is back in 2007.
I like Geekson- one of them is Bear’s roomie, another is YoSaffBridge’s bro- but their sound quality stinks. It’s hard to take after being so spoiled by the Trinity. I can seldom listen with headphones, and that’s the only way I can hear all of them. But I do like their content. Just wish they recorded better…
They are also friends of Joss, and I love it when his editor Lisa joins them!
Also: Welcome, HJ!
Welcome aboard, Hayden.
I was unaware of that 'cast, but I’ll have to give it a listen to. Sounds like fun.