GWC Podcast #113

Time to dive into the Matrix with the GWC crew! Highlights: we take a few last-minute Star Wars calls, discuss the “reality” of the Matrix, learn that Chuck (and a caller) would totally throw humanity under the bus for a good steak, marvel at Matrix cookies that crisp instantly without turning into hockey pucks, recognize that PVC can indeed be sexier than nudity, debate whether Neo is specifically the one (or just the one who took the job), enjoy the film’s techno soundtrack goodness, and compare the marble lobby security guards to the Death Star’s independent contractors.

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Yea, early podcast. Working on a Saturday won’t completely suck!

Ossim!

Watched it last night with the hub- still fresh in my memory!

Ahh…GWC to keep me company at work. :smiley:
Twenty minutes into the podcast…If you listen to the DVD commentary, they sent out a call to local S&Mers, and they showed up in droves for the club scene at the beginning. So it’s all real.

Why am I the one pointing this out?:o

Steak! Cookies! Stop it! I’m not on my lunch break yet!

You know, I understand that it’s a bad thing to sell out the crew of your ship and betray humanity, get your friends all killed, yada, yada,yada. But if you had the option of going back to the Matrix without having to sell out your friends, what would you do?

I mean, if the agents came to me and said (after a steak dinner and a good bottle of wine) that they’ll take me back into the Matrix… that they’ll make me moderately rich, and famous (but not too famous)… all of that in exchange for my pledge to stop fighting it. No betrayal necessary, don’t have to get my friends killed… the machines just want me to stop fighting.

I mean, if I say no to this offer, the only reason will be that I think the deal is too good to be true. I’m gonna suspect there’s gotta be a catch hidden somewhere, and someone’s gonna get killed, their assurances otherwise nothwithstanding.

But if I truly believed that my friends and family won’t be hurt, and I could stop fighting and go back… I can’t say 100% that I’d say no.

In that scene there’s most definitely the case I’d be packing and thus empty a clip into the agent’s gut and then skeddadle and be badsorrybarb mcgee back on the Neb

Maybe it’s touched on later in the cast but uh what prevented them going into the Matrix armed with like power armor or APUs or something better than black t-shirts and trench coats and dual wielding sometimes crappy guns. Or not even power armor, but like SWAT tactical gear or what not. Something that actually affords some ballistic protection and like pockets

Yeah, I didn’t get that. Why would anyone want to be in the grey, dreary, blasted world with the white gruel when they could be and do anything in the Matrix, just for the price of being a battery? I’d be so there. :slight_smile:

Hey LEAVE MOUSE ALOOOOOOONE!!!

00:37:47 – “Essence of Neo”
A new fragrance coming to a Macy’s near you. Free your mind.

Seriously though you know Mouse is the cooliest. You know he sat down and was like "I want cool guns…I’mm design me some guns in the construct. Frak yeah.

Cause those ARE custom guns. Only character to use custom guns as far as I can tell.

I’m about 30 mins . Just like to point out that .The Wachowski brothers do not live an alternate lifestyle.

Also Mouse is probably one of my favorite characters. It’s a shame that the sequels didn’t have more secondary characters.

I gotta agree with Sean on this. Give me an APU and I’ll eat the bottom barrel slop and dress in rotting burlap

Also on Neo’s guns in the lobby shootout…I have to say fail almost all the way around. The only worthwhile pieces he had were arguably the 92FSes, not for actual quality but character, and the MP5Ks. The micro uzis, skorpions, M16A1s, and SPAS-12s? I say thee no. Well maybe not the SPAS-12, it’s far too heavy but there’s nothing like wrong with them so much.

By the way, the fact that I didn’t know http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Main_Page didn’t exist until I was looking for a pic of Mouse’s shotties yesterday make me a sad panda

again, thanks crew for the great podcast.

I have to say the only reason Matrix is a great move that deserved two squeals is because of its depth. Take away the philosophical questions it makes the viewers take home and chew over it for a while, it’d just be another sci-fi action film that you forget in about a week.

The thing that intrigued me the most in this podcast is whether or not Neo was destined to be the one. Did he became the one because he was able to free his mind? Or was he the reincarnation of all the previous “One”.

Both of these implications have philosophical roots in Indian religions, i am just gonna use Buddhism because i am only familiar with Buddhism. But the two concepts also spawn from different schools of Buddhism.

I tend to agree with Chuck on this one. I think Neo had the potential to become the one, and he became the one because he freed his mind.

I think this relates to the most basic defining principle of the Buddhist faith, that “Everyone” and “anyone” have a chance to attain enlightenment. This is what makes Buddhism different from most religions, and the only reason i spent anytime understanding it.

In the Matrix case, I’d rather believe that everyone and anyone have a chance of becoming “The One”. In Buddhism, you have to spend an incredible amount of time in many different life times to collect the wisdom and merits that will finally get you on the verge of achieving enlightenment.

If you take democracy for example, it’d be like saying everyone and anyone can become the president. Though that doesn’t mean you are going to become the president. You have to work hard to build for it and then have the fortune of being in the right place at the right time. Most likely, you won’t be the president.

So that’s why i choose to think of “The One” in this way. Every single one of the human batteries freed by Zion has some ability to bend the Matrix. Morpheus and Trinity are capable of some pretty amazing feats. Neo, before he became the one was almost super human. But it came down to Neo willing himself back from the “virtual” death, and completely understood the fabrics of Matrix to actually becoming “The One”.

So, I think none of the machines/programs have any idea who the next “One” is going to be. It’s not like the machines fed royal jelly to baby Neo so that he will become the one or anything.

On Sean and Audra’s side, the reincarnation with a will or a goal to achieve sounds a lot more in the veins of Tibetan Buddhism (or another Mahayana Buddhisms).

In that case you can argue the machine can only control the human body, but not their souls. So the machines still don’t know who is going to become The One.

But the machine did build the structure of “The One” as the Matrix’s reset button. So they should know something about the nature of how someone becomes “The One”.

Anyway, that’s my rambling for now. And I look farward to you guys talk more about Monica Bellucci in the white rubber dress.

Big props to Audra on this 'cast…getting some serious forum 'cred for her inside knowledge of injokes. Well done!

…oh yeah, and the Matrix kicks (sorrybarb).

Working my way through the podcast in spurts. About 1:18:00 now…

When I first saw Lord of the Rings, I sat there for the longest time trying to figure out why I didn’t trust Elrond. The whole Rivendell sequence was almost over when I suddenly sat up and realized it was frakkin’ SMITH! I felt dumb, but justified.

I had no idea the Matrix was that confusing to people. Although I did watch it as a kid , and kids accept everything.(especially in movies.)

Well, if we’re making first viewing confessions I have to admit that I fell asleep watching The Matrix the first time…

I knew going in that he was Elrond. About a minute after he showed up I leaned over to the GF and whispered, “This forest… it smells.”