I must say, the best part for me of the entire episode was to see Boomer get offed by Athena and to see the Chief just kill Tory off and give Cally some justice.
Yeah, and it was great when right in the middle of the dust-up on the bridge cavel eats his gun!!
I about fell off the sofa when Cavil decided to take that way out. The big wuss. lol
Boomer knew Athena was going to kill her and she seemed at peace with it. By then I was so tired of Boomer’s back and forth, I was glad to see her end. And I’m also glad Chief found out what happened to Cally. I figured that would never be revealed.
Given that I never thought they’d resolve it, I’m a bit surprised by how annoyed I was at the Chief for killing Tory. He never learned to keep his emotions at bay for the greater good. I mean, it’s great that it all turned out ok for them, and that it was highly possible that Cavil would go back on his words, and that Tory totally deserved it, but still. Somehow that particular decision made solely based on his emotions, everyone else be damned, have tarnished my opinion of the Chief. He is a 2000 year old idiot, and will always be that.
That being said, I am a bit disappointed as well that Tory pretty much didn’t matter at all as a member of the final five in the great scheme of things, which kind of sucks, given the potential that character had - be it full on evil or good - at the beginning of season 4. She ended up being blah, which is not great. Though, it still makes me giggle with that whole scene right before they put their hands in the goo. HEE!
And while I laughed and laughed at Cavil eating his gun (that expression on his face - giggle!), I hated how Cavil has switched from being this master of the universe evil genius to some kind of a bubbling suicidal idiot who didn’t have a better plan than what he did at the end there. It’s great he died, but I’m also a little unsettled to the whole faction of the ones, fours, and fives being all evil emcompassing. Surely there was a one or a four or a five there that weren’t evil? (BTW, check out Doral’s new non vest clothing.)
And, did I just miss it, or did Leoben pretty much bypassed all the fight scenes and only appeared at the end when they talked about how to go about settling down on Earth? That kind of annoyed me too. It would have been nice to see Leoben kick some ass in the battle, and/or to talk to Starbuck one last time. If I did miss it, dang, I have to go watch it again.
But, the Boomer thing was pretty awesome. Good on Athena. and good on Boomer, finally making a good choice at the cost of her life. I was a bit teary when they brought up the Boomer flashback with Adama and Tigh. Such a tragic character, an evil one, but man. I felt for her.
I wasn’t all that happy to see Boomer die… I expected it, and it was necessary, but I felt bad about it… Cavil, on the other hand… yep, that dude’s a wuss… I like Stockwell’s idea that he should go out like that.
Are you kidding me? When it happened I turned to my wife and said “mighty human reaction for a machine”. Swap the characters- Tigh said if it had happened to Ellen he’d do the same thing. I can see Adama, Lee, Helo, Doc Cottle and more or less anyone else having the same “human” reaction. Frankly Cavil blowing his own Cylon brain matter out the back of his skull was also quite human. As our friend Mr.Morden from another series would say: You’re not seeing the Big Picture!
I hope Tory didn’t let the door smack her on her way out.
You should look at what happened to Tory and Boomer and realize that you reap what you sow.
I was not sorry to see Tory go - she was a waste of space in my opinion and what she did to Cally was evil. I mean - I could maybe see that she felt she had no other choice seeing as Cally would probably have outed them - and she did save the baby…but the fact that she waited for Cally to wake up before she airlocked her - truly an act of pure malice.
Boomer - however - well I was kind of sad to see her go. She made some really bad choices and hurt a lot of people - what she did to Helo and Athena was unforgivable. But I feel bad for her because much of what happened to her in the beginning wasn’t her fault. She just chose to be destroyed by it instead of rising above like Athena did.
So… it comes down to this does it… eye-for-eye, tooth-for-tooth? OT (as in Old Testament, not Old Timer) stuff.
Must be wonderfully satisfying for fundamentalists and barbarians everywhere.
Interesting to see the amount of hate and desire for extreme revenge aimed towards Tori. She killed one insignificant human. And for what she considered a very valid reason. Baltar was responsible for the deaths of untold billions. Kara and Lee shot up the Olympic Carrier - hindsight indicates it probably wasn’t packed to the rafters with Cylons. Tyrol murdered an Eight. Athena executed Boomer in cold blood after Boomer saved her child.
Yet Kara, Lee, Athena, Tyrol and Baltar are allowed their shots at redemption, their sins forgiven, their characters loved.
It is the sheer joy at the ends of Boomer and Tori by members of the GWC community which disturbs me greatest. Are we no more civilised than Tyrol? Have thousands of years of human society, laws, customs meant nothing? This does not happen in real life. Well, not a lot. Most people in law-abiding countries let due process take place. They let the law handle such transgressions. Otherwise we are left with anarchy.
Otherwise we are left with Taliban.
Otherwise we are left with Al-Qaeda.
I would be very, very interested to see if there are any ‘national’ distinctions on feelings regarding this. How would Europeans feel, as opposed to Americans, for example?
RS, I’m from the US and I certainly didn’t rejoice. But I’ve never hated Tory, nor agreed that she sucks with the power of a thousand suns.
And Boomer, well, I can understand why she did all of the things she did, even if I don’t agree. There’s certainly no rejoicing here at chez casilda about either death.
For me, I found the death of Tory to be dissatisfying, exactly because the implications about the Chief in terms of murdering her in cold blood, on top of ruining a possible peace treaty and risking everyone’s lives in the process. The Chief never learnt his lesson (in not letting his emotions dictate his choices, which is definitely human nature (and I’m not disputting that at all. I think cylons are no different humans, when it comes to emotions) but at the same time disappointing behavior for a man who time and time again chose to act on his emotions instead of thinking at times). I don’t know if I care enough about Tory (mostly because of her relative insignificance to the story of BSG as a whole) to even hate her that much, but she did in fact murder Cally without any rremorse and so I don’t feel particularly sorry for her in this scenario, even though she was murdered. It was the Chief that I felt terrible about in that scene. because, that act solidified him into what he ranted about all the time. He, as a cylon or a human, is kind of a 2000 year old idiot. Which sucks, because he was such a good every person man in all things, except when it comes to love.
Boomer, I mean, her death wasn’t a “oh yeah, Boomer sucks so she deserves to die” moment, but it was satisfying because Boomer herself chose to die, and came to terms with it prior to getting shot down by Athena.
But, for some reason, I don’t feel angry or terrible about Athena being what basically is a cold blooded murderer (with Natalie earlier, and now Boomer. One could argue the whole mother thing, but in both instances, Hera was already safe, but Athena shoots them anyway, without any remorse). Strange. Why is it that I don’t particularly hate Athena, and loved that she’s back with Helo and Hera to live a happy life?
It’s interesting to see someone articulate that about Athena - I’ve been thinking along similar lines. Then again, I’ve never forgiven her (as if she, the fictional character, needs me to forgive her lol) for shooting Natalie. Though, with Galactica as the opera house and Hera running away, it does make sense in terms of her spatial presence and the visions. But seriously. Not cool.
And! the cylons (Sonia’s group) wanted to try Boomer for treason, but not Athena for murder? hmmmmmmmmmm.
Wow - how is your saying Cally is an “insignificant human” any better than us rejoicing about Tory getting killed? Is all life sacred or not?
Cally was basically innocent - yes she cheated on Tyrol but that certainly isn’t murder now is it? Tori knocked Cally out and then waited for her to wake up before airlocking her. If I were Chief and I found out that someone who was supposed to be like family killed my wife in cold blood - well I might go crazy too.
Cally isn’t innocent. She tried to kill her kid knowing it wasn’t half cylon and she also killed a six that was unarmed and under guard. She also smells like cabbage and I hate cabbage.
I LOVED the irony that the Chief strangled Tory - BIG CHEER from me - just as they all looked as if they were going to sit around the camp fire (well, ok, the goo bath) and make peace with each other. It’s the sheer destructiveness of revenge that got them all into this mess in the first place - and I actually thought that it was the most satisfying bit of the episode (and not just because I was longing to get a reaction from Chief against Tory for SO long!) It also meant that resurrection was completely off the agenda from that point onwards.
You are correct. Fair point, perhaps I was a little ‘loose’ in my description. I was contrasting Tori’s admittedly heinous act with other even more egregious acts. In comparison, hers was not quite so significant. But true, Cally’s death is just as tragic as anyone’s.
If I were Chief and I found out that someone who was supposed to be like family killed my wife in cold blood - well I might go crazy too.
People say this. But most non-sociopaths don’t really act on such impulses, especially at times of great grief and loss. It’s all part of our ‘civilisation’.
Shoot first, ask questions later (even if civilization hangs in the balance). That’s what I say. Oh, and “IT” bless all of us, but especially America!
I wonder if it would have made a difference if Tory had looked Tyrol in the eye and said ‘I killed Callie. I did it to protect myself. But you killed that Eight to protect Boomer. So we’ve both committed murder.’ Would Chief have strangled her anyway? Possibly, but she would have made a better case for herself than that mealy-mouthed ‘We’re all Cylons’ blather. I think Tory always took the easy way out, though, from the day she started hearing snatches of ‘All Along the Watchtower’. It was easier to kill Callie, easier to abandon the fleet, and easier to let that goop break the bad news to Tyrol.
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I thought one of the posters was overly arrogant, and unfortunately, I responded in kind. Sorry. I deleted my own post cause I want to try and stay civil.