Since it’s a Bat-Theater in Germany, wouldn’t the snack bar have Bat-Sausages and Bat-Beer? 
Undoubtedly - and that Bat - beer raises even more serious Bat - bathroom issues for his Bat - bladder than Bat - soda does.
By the way - and completely off topic - am I the only one who has noticed that my avatar (kindly set up by Ron here) actually looks like he’s talking to you, when you read one of my posts? Pretty creepy.
I wonder if his eyes will follow me around the room, if I move some, like the Uncle Sam poster figure on TF’s posts do? Here goes.
Paranoid? I’m not paranoid? Who says I’m paranoid? Who?
Sigh…you’re probably right. I love Germany.
Actually, when I saw Dark Knight a couple weeks ago I saw it at Chunkys which is a local (or is it national?) chain of movie theater’s where you can eat dinner and drink beer while watching the movie. It’s a nice way to cram dinner and movie together into the same time period—which is nice for us married with children types that don’t get out much.
It’s not paranoia when they’re actually out to get you. :eek:
DURING THE FRAKKING BAT-BREAK!
I didn’t believe my eyes. The lights went on after the first half of the movie and there was a 15-minute break. I’m not sure if that’s just something they do on opening night, to get people out to buy more snacks or so, but it pissed me off.
But at least my other plan came together. I told y’all I had reserved the best two seats weeks ago, so I timed so that we got into the theater when the lights were already out and the trailers running and the entire last row was wondering how those two empty seats belonged to. And then I walked in! With a hot chick in tow! I felt like some real cool dude! Awesome!
Sure.
To the Bat - Break (LOL), if they tried that in the USA they’d need The Dark Knight to restore order.
Yeah I’m always surprised at how peaceful my countrymen really are. There was 5 seconds of bitching and then everybody went to the toilet and bought another beer.
Anyway, I could now either write an essay about the finer shades of gray that this movie brought up or just sit back and bask in the awesomeness of it. Which one would you prefer?
One thing first, though:
I really really really enjoyed one very small moment, when Batman’s eyes first had the white glow. The whole virtual reality thing was a minor setback in credibility, but the white glow made my comic book geek heart beat a lot faster. And that says something.
I think you should just enjoy it right now. The discourse can begin tomorrow.
I still don’t find a lot of words to say about this movie. It beats the crap out of the Spidermans, Daredevils, Iron Mans, Hulks and other action-focused summer movies.
The Dark Knight is not an action movie and that’s what makes it special. Before the movie, I got to see trailers for Quantum of Solace, Babylon AD and similar movies and they all look the same, it’s just explosions and Bang and nothing else.
TDK is different, it’s a plot and character-driven movie, it’s a morality tale, it’s the modern version of a Greek tragedy, that’s what it is. It evaluates people who make choices and what effects their choices have, for what reasons those choices were made, what motives are behind their reasons, etc.
It’s like a Batman movie that has more in common with Macbeth or King Lear than with a summer blockbuster.
And the one real hero in this movie is Mister Alfred Pennyworth. He’s really got Batman’s back, he’s Bruce Wayne’s ethical safety net, he never falters, he always knows what to do next, what steps to take even though they’re grisly steps.
As for the Joker/terrorism comparisons: yeah, I can see that, but it’s like people are thinking in the right direction, but they’re not thinking it all the way through to the end. Terrorists usually have goals. The Joker hasn’t. “He wants to see the world burn”, he’s an anarchist, he’s not fighting for freedom or anybody’s rights, against oppression, against economic exploitation, against a religious enemy, no, he’s just fighting.
And the ending… I have such a heavy heart remembering that ending. What’s to follow? The Dark Knight has left. There will be a third movie, that much is certain. Will the Dark Knigh… RETURN?
Return of the Dark Knight?
Please don’t let the third movie be a Miller adaptation. Please not. I don’t want Miller involved in any way with a Batman movie.
Well said - although I would caption it a morality tale with lots of action.
As for what’s next - they’re not going to a 50 year old Batman next - too much money to be made before that. But your aversion to a (nearly impossible to pull off) screen adaptation to TDKR surprises me. I am all in favor of making a movie out of that opera - if it can be done. “They” just need to make sure that they do not let Frank Miller have all that much to do with it. Let him have the first shot at the screen play.
BTW - did Harvey Dent REALLY die. The flash ahead to his eulogy and the flash back to the “present” left me “confused”. Of course, they never imagined that the actor who played villain #1 would die and vice versa.
Very well said, GR. I agree with your analysis. A Greek tragedy is a good way to describe the movie. It was almost like see a great tragic piece of literature but in movie form.
I so glad you’ve finally saw the movie so I can speak openly with you about it and not worry about spoilers. Go check out the Dark Knight (Spoilers) thread to see what other GWCers have said about it.
I don’t have the same aversion you do about a Dark Knight Returns movie, but I agree with Old Timer—they wouldn’t jump to a old Batman in the next movie anyway.
Excuse me for being dense, but what is the reason why you’re so anti-Frank Miller regarding his involvement in the movies. Were there some recent movies that he was involved in that fell flat?
My personal opinion: Frank Miller is overrated.
The Dark Knight Returns was the second comic book I ever read, the first Batman book I ever read, so I didn’t have anything to compare it to at the time. That was about a year ago. In the meantime I’ve read a pile of Batman TPBs that’s a meter high, probably a bit more.
So, my new opinion about Miller is that he’s incredibly vain and self-occupied. Which is not entirely bad and I’m little of both myself, but I don’t think he cares about Batman. He cares about himself, about creating a hype around his work, about doing things differently just for the sake of pissing people off.
And that kind of thing might work once and it worked well with The Dark Knight Returns, but it doesn’t work twice and it doesn’t work all the time. Took a look at Miller’s work, he’s still riding on the success of TDKR. But besides that, has he created anything so outstanding that would justify all his fame and the hype around his person? In my opinion: no.
Take Ronin: dreadful! Take Sin City: not really ground-breaking stuff in my opinion. Take his latest project, the The Spirit movie. Have you seen the trailer? It’s Sin City all over again. It’s far from Will Eisner’s original creation. And THAT is exactly what I’m talking about, Miller doesn’t care about the material, he cares about how he himself can cause a frakking stir by frakking with other people’s material. A lot of people are saying that he’s destroying Will Eisner’s The Spirit by Millerifying it.
And it’d break my heart to see Miller do the same with a third Batman movie. You know, because he doesn’t care about Batman (case in point: All Star Batman&Robin), the only thing he cares about is “Miller frakking with stuff to satisfy his own lust for attention.”
There’s a bunch of people who worked or are working for DC comics who care a lot more about Batman than Miller. People who are willing to restrain their own ego in order to work for the better story. People who are the work horses of DC and not the hyped up stars. People like Ed Brubaker or Darwyn Cooke or Tim Sale and Jeph Loeb. If you have to involve people from the comics branch, give those guys a shot, they deserve it far more than Miller. Hell, let Cooke work on the third movie, he brought us Batman: Ego, one of the darkest psychological horror tales that’s ever been written about the Caped Crusader.
Today, he well may be. But TDKR is not - and when Miller wrote it I suspect that he did “care” deeply about Batman and saved the franchise.
He may really have saved it and I give him credit for that. But Miller’s like one of those emergency soccer coaches that you hire when your team is in danger of descending into a lower league, but not the coach you hire when you want steady work done. If that analogy makes any sense.
Sure - a “turn around artist”.
May’be if they transported him from the late 80s to direct it. As of right now Frank seems to be in a George Lucas mindset .
I disagree about Sin City. I think it is amazing. I do have a thing for overstylized violence. So for me, Sin City is the equivalent of eating pure sugar.
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Do you mean Ronin the movie with Robert Dinero?
I thot that was great.
No I mean the graphic novel by Frank Miller. Totally unrelated.
The “first” Sin City that is. I have always wanted one of those live action toys of Marv in the electric chair, but realized I would have no where to put it without risk of being committed to a state facility for the insane.
They had one on an episode of Ifanboy (video). One of the coolest toys out there.