#256: Artificial Intelligence, Part I

I don’t usually chime in on these episode-specific discussions, but I figured I may as well put myself in the ring this time around considering human-robot interaction is actually my area of study. With that in mind, I apologize in advance for what will likely be an incredibly geeky & uninteresting ramble for many >.>

I just wanted to give my two cents on the issue of whether or not natural language processing (NLP) is a necessary component to AI. Audra felt that it wasn’t a critical element, but from a certain point of view </oldben>, it actually is.

NLP is incredibly, ridiculously tricky to pull off. That’s why it doesn’t actually exist yet. Even the most advanced speech recognition systems only work effectively when a) they’re designed to only interpret a very limited lexicon and syntax, or b) they’re designed to only work within the confines of an extremely limited context of operation. An example of what I mean by that:

Your cell phone most likely has some speech processing capability, and it probably works equally well whether you’re sitting on your couch or standing on top of a mountain. The range of things that you can actually do by voice, though, is quite limited. On the other end of the spectrum, you have desktop speech interaction software like Dragon NaturallySpeaking (which is how I interact with the computer). It has a significantly more thorough grasp of grammer (in the linguistic sense of the word, not literally punctuation usage) and so it’s much more lenient in terms of command structures that it can understand. This is offset, though, by the fact that it’s only useful within the context of daily computer usage. Commands related to household tasks or talking about the weather would be completely lost on it.

The real problem here that leads to these limitations is that natural language is more than just the sum of the literal meanings of all the individual uttered words. To understand natural language, the listener needs to share with the speaker a common knowledge of the speech’s context. Current speech recognition systems simply have no way of establishing this common ground. We humans do it without even thinking, because our brains are constantly preattentively processing visual, auditory, and other types of sensory information to understand where we are and what’s going on around us. To give an AI true NLP, it needs to be able to have this human-like degree of contextual awareness.

So, when you think about it in a bottom-up way like that rather than top-down, you can see how intertwined AI and NLP really are. To understand natural, human language, a system has to first understand the world around it, and such understanding is a core tenant of almost any definition of AI. In many ways, once it has that contextual awareness, NLP is just a naturally emergent phenomena from basic speech recognition. It therefore may be possible to have NLP without AI (that is, a system that can understand natural language but not reason or be sentient), but it is extremely improbable that we’ll ever have AI without NLP.

Didn’t they swap the whole ‘Year of Hell’ concept for 7 of 9. I think that’s the reason why Kes (I liked her in a cute pixie kinda way) seems to be a bit of a meh character. I think she was really going to destined for greatness, but that’s just my theory.

I also think that 7 worked because she wasn’t beholden to anyone, unlike Kes was, she was always going to be Neelix’s side piece.

Not at all. Thank you for sharing. Good info!

Didn’t they swap the whole ‘Year of Hell’ concept for 7 of 9. I think that’s the reason why Kes (I liked her in a cute pixie kinda way) seems to be a bit of a meh character. I think she was really going to destined for greatness, but that’s just my theory.

If that is true, that is the crappiest thing ever. They couldn’t have an interesting character AND an interesting story line? Better check Memory Alpha again…

EDIT: An interesting read, but no indication that the “Year of Hell” 2 parter was supposed to be an entire season arc, or that it was changed due to Kes leaving.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Year_of_Hell_(episode)

The3 is a Cylon.

I’ve never seen The3 at a meeting.

I have.

baltar

Ixnay on the ylonCay. Soon enough, all will be revealed.

“You’re Final Five? Holy sh*t, me too!”

Frakkin Toasters.

DXF…your turn to bring the donuts to the meeting…

There are many copies…of donuts

Audra mentions that David Beckham should Shut up and Pose. I’ve been known to shut up and pose.

Not fair, I’ve got Madonna’s Vogue rattling around me head now!
:smiley:

I just finished the podcast yesterday and I think that Juan’s right for emphasizing the sentience part of this discussion (which the GWC crew also mentioned and then made reference to their discussion from the TRON arc).

To me, intelligence is a measurement and not a threshold. My D&D character could have an intelligence of 1, and I might have an IQ of 11.

I think this discussion is either about sentience or about when does artificial intelligence equal in some way human intelligence. Along those lines, I was thinking that independent thought might be a good threshold. If my robot stopped doing the calculations I gave it and suddenly decided to open an auto body shop, that would be an indication of independent thought to me.

I was also thinking that the ability to learn inductively–observing the world in ways it sees fit, finding patterns, and reaching conclusions–would also be a good threshold. (I think I’m using inductive the right way there but am not 100% sure.)

These are just a couple of ideas I thought I’d share…partly to distract me from my broken heart after watching the Steelers lose.

I hate you and your stupid links.

I just had a 30 minute conversation with CleverBot.

Why do you waste my time with sassy internet AI?

ETA: Okay, 45 minutes and Cleverbot claims it doesn’t know you, Solai.

Has anyone done a Cleverbot/Eliza conversation yet?

Sean said something about insanity and AI near the end of the cast. May I point out two good examples?

and

Apparently so :smiley:


User: Has anyone done a Cleverbot/Eliza conversation yet?

Cleverbot: Yes. But mostly people just think this is a game.

So I’ve been talking to clever bot as well. It’s good but it does mess up a lot and it’s still quite easy to tell it’s not human.
On the other hand I’ve been talking to it for half an hour and it’s declared me it’s best friend, so I think it’s winning me over. This thing is sassy!
ETA: It started singing do you believe in life after love? and Thenit made me feel really guilty for saying goodbye. I can definitly see some human aspects to the way it “Talks”

Looking back at the tight-fitting outfits of Seven of Nine, and T’Pol and even Denna Troi, I must admit it seems pretty embarrassing. Those characters were all great in their own right and wonderfully acted. Skin-tight “show it all” outfits were blatantly sexist-- and not a proud moment for Star Trek. As a father of two daughters, I’m more sensitive to that stuff now.

I think it’s easy to not see it at the time (if you’re a male). I certainly didn’t.

BTW, great interview with Rick Berman on StarTrek.com

Here’s a relevant except:

[i]StarTrek.com: Let’s shift to Voyager and get into arguably the most important development. Jennifer Lien exited and Jeri Ryan came in. Some people thought it was pure genius, while others felt bringing in such a sexy character was too easy. Looking back, right move?

Berman: I think so. The studio felt strongly about losing one or more characters when the ratings started to slip a bit. The actor who, unfortunately, was let go was Jennifer. The idea to bring in a de-Borg-ified human who had been taken by the Borg as a girl gave us a tremendous amount to work with. Jeri came in and she was very sexy and she was also a very good actor. To this day, she’s s a very good actor. Then we decided, “What the hell?” There were complaints that the ratings were falling off. We had a wonderful actress come in, and we went to Bob Blackman, our costume designer, and said, “See what you can do to make her look fabulous.” And she looked fabulous. I don’t think we took a great deal of advantage of her being sexy, other than the fact that she had a knockout outfit. Seven of Nine became a very three-dimensional and textured character played by a wonderful actress.[/i]

According to the Voyager book:

After Menosky approved of the concept, Braga contacted executive producer Rick Berman. "I called Rick and it was late, but I was so excited. So, I called Rick Berman, and he really liked the idea but he had the stroke of genius, ‘Make it a Borg babe.’

The thing is they didn’t have an awesome vision of how a borg crew member can evolve, they casted of Jeri because they were looking for a babe.

I don’t see how that can not annoy Kate. Besides, even if they casted a babe, they didn’t have to sex her up. I think Nana Visitor and Terry Farrel are extremely foine looking girls, but they didn’t display them in tights and try to shock and awe viewers with T and A (though when they do make them sexy, they are totally sexy).

Would Seven of Nine have been such a splash purely based on her character developement if they casted someone less of a bombshell, or didn’t put Jeri Ryan in ridiculous tights? Well, we will never find out, because the producers were just looking to have a Borg Babe.