While Tori sucks with the power of 1000 suns plus one, she does not get my vote. We’ve all know about her suckness for a year.
Gata won my heart, and then, he broke it. No, he did not just break istabbed me, reached into my chest, pulled out my heart, puked on it, stomped on it, bashed it with a hammer, and then peed on it.
Gata is that special kind of ouche. He is the secret, self righteous, self pitying, racist hypocrite douche, the rarest and most special kind of douche.
Am I over exaggerating? Am I being really really harsh? After getting this close to being thrown out an airlock, watching his friend commit suicide, having everyone around him get killed by BBQ eight, yeah he’s going to be a bit grumpy, and bitter. Just because I understand why he is a douche, doesn’t make him any less of a douche
But he didn’t. Cottle said she found out she was pregnant before they got married and wasn’t sure which of theirs it was. She wanted to get an abortion. Then after they were married, she had a paternity test. The fact that she never discussed her doubts, and then her absolute knowledge with either guy in question, makes Cally the douche in that case. At least Hot Dog stepped up when he found out, even if he had no idea what to do.
But of the candidates listed above, it’s a hard choice. All of them, except Hot Dog were total douches this episode. Maybe Adama less than the rest. I’m gonna have to think a bit on this one.
lol, how do you really feel?
Maybe it’s because of Richard Hatch’s counter intuitive musings, but I’m reserving judgment on Gaeta and Zarek.
I do however have a burning hatred for Tory.
1- Tory : She’s a simple psychotic waste of space for both races.
2- Roslin : Even if I falter a bit when she told the “she wants to live a little before dying” bit. I still think she’s a douche. When things get rough real leaders take it and get back. She should at least had make a speech to the population later. I would understand the bible burning and the emo phase but she should have gotten over it fast. By doing what she did she almost single handily killed the fleet (moral wise).
3- Baltar : When everything goes to hell, well, put more gasoline on the fire. With speech like that, he’s not helping one bit, just accelerating the process. At least when you destroy a faith you should try to shove down another as fast a possible. Even if he’s gonna be airlocked in seconds by his followers if he says its the Cylon faith.
4- Gaeta : His new found douchiness is not at the top in my opinion. I understand what he’s doing and why, but he’s an idiot in his method. The cylons will never be accepted by the rest of the fleet and probably by 3/4 of the soldiers in the galactica. Hell they destroyed everything. Like Felix said “Isn’t it their fault we are in this mess to begin with” one of the best line of the show. But he’s acting like a jerk didn’t help. Alienating Starbuck, she probably would have been his biggest supporter in the fight against cylons (maybe not the final five but the cylon fleet)
5- Zarek : With the 2hour podcast with the actor playing him, I’ve come to see him in a new light. Still a douche for profiting on the system (but what politician doesn’t). I have to say being stuck as the normal people on that fleet he would be my guy, while the 2 leaders are plotting in the dark with my worse enemy.
6 - Adama : Will he understand violence never works really against the fleet. He didn’t act fast enough. Things festered and now its really bad. His acceptance of the cylons is a bit premature and irrational. Chief and Saul help, but do they really have control over the other cylons ? If Saul order the cylons to do something they don’t want, will they do it ? Not sure.
I was approaching this from the point of view of person who knows the least of what they are talking about. For me douchiness (never thot I’d use that in a sentence) is about how much utter craaap a person can convey. Baltar, for me, is the front runner. All that potential and on his own (without Head Six) he is a brainless wonder.
I have a question about how we measure douche-ness: is disappointment a key criterion? If so, I think my vote might shift more towards the Gaeta and Roslin end of the spectrum. I picked Tory because of the aforementioned waiting until the victim wakes up to airlock her but also because I never really expected good things from Tory. Even when she wasn’t a Final Fiver, she was still pretty shady. Baltar falls in the same category–brilliant man, but over the years, I’ve come to expect him to be a total frak-up.
Gaeta and Roslin’s douche-ness, on the other hand, hurts because I expect better of them. They know better. I’ve seen them behave better than this. They have good motivation for their behavior, but still. Granted, I don’t see Roslin’s behavior in this particular episode as being all that douchey, because didn’t she offer to resign? Hmm, now I have to go back and re-watch…
Right now Gaeta wins this award. Timing is everything and Gaeta has picked the worse possible time to reinvent himself. Things are falling apart and he is adding to the chaos. That chip on his shoulder is so big I’m surprised his peg leg can support it.
Roslin will pull it together, she just needs a bit of time… can’t blame her after all she is only human (or not).
Baltar has always been Baltar, oddly enough a likeable douche.
Tory is an evil cylon so an understandable douche.
Gaeta chooses to be a douche, making him the biggest douche of all.
In defense of Cabbage Patch Cally and Hot Dog… didn’t Doc say that she was pregnant before she and Tyrel hooked up making her and Hot Dog a little less douchie.
I voted Baltar. For real, I mean. He’s stirring up trouble on purpose in a very bad time, and it seems like he’s doing it not because he has something he believes in, but because he can. A fight breaks out among his followers, and instead of quelling it and admonishing them to be “perfect,” he sits back with a cigarette like he’s just had a good frak. I had a friend like that once, and so Baltar gives me the creeps right now.
As for everyone else, they’re obviously all frakked up. They’re hurt and angry and bitter and disillusioned. They all have valid viewpoints, but they’re being destructive in the way they go about their actions.
If we hadn’t seen the webisodes, I might have voted for Gaeta. But I think all of his racism, pessimism, dissension, and plotting are just manifestations of his complete and utter disillusionment. He has personal experience with a singularly untrustworthy Cylon, so it’s not like he’s just pulling this attitude out of his [sorryBarb]. He’s appalled at Adama’s unilateral decision-making (I know, dirty word, but it fits here), and that the citizens of the fleet are not being given a choice. He might be acting like a jerk, but he’s a jerk with a purpose.
Adama’s plan might be a good one–in fact, I definitely think it is–but forcing everyone into it is the wrong way to go. There are a million different ways to get this done, and Adama chose the douch-ey, gun-to-the-head method. Meanwhile, Roslin has abandoned all hope, and instead of finding a new identity–remember Apollo’s speech from last week?–is hiding away in self-pity. This is totally not the kind of behavior I expect of either of them.
So everyone’s got their pain, but it’s nothing some perspective and compassion couldn’t help. I’m holding out hope for their better natures. Meanwhile, Baltar just pisses me off. If there’s a day of reckoning, like Gaeta said, I hope it kicks his ass.
I thought he said “right before you two got married”. Because of the mystery year we have no way of knowing how long they dated before they got married…so it is possible that it was before she and chief got together - but I got the impression that it wasn’t.
I don’t know about that - Starbuck is pretty much the reason the rebel cylons are there to begin with - I think all the cylon hate may have gone out of her. She’s got bigger problems now - like what the frak is she?
That really, really bothered me the second time I watched the episode. In the initial meeting with Lee, Helo, Tigh, Tyrol, and Gaeta, Adama states in no uncertain terms that an alliance with the Cylons is a political decision. Tyrol states in no uncertain terms that the Fleet will only technology from the Cylons if the Fleet agrees to a true alliance with full citizenship granted to the Cylons. By the time the tyllium ship jumps away, Adama has completely changed his tune and said that the installation of Cylon technology is a military decision. Gaeta was being a dick, but he was right about wondering how Adama could make this call without the input of the people, since Adama himself earlier admitted that this was a matter for the civilian government.
Mo Ryan has an interview with RDM at her Chicago Tribune blog where he says he intended it to be before she and the Chief got together, that Chief’s proposal was kind of out of the blue and they got married in a hurry. But since there’s nothing explicit in the show, I think a viewer can read it either way.
I don’t think Starbuck would ever go against the Old Man again, so long as Adama was telling her the truth (unlike in “Kobol’s Last Gleaming”). So, if Adama is for the alliance, when it comes down to a gun battle, Kara will be for the alliance, too.
