Voyager poll= thumbs up or down/ Good series or not?

[hansioux]

I think Voyager’s greatest Sin (to me anyway) is their treament of the Borg. The Borg were the ultimate enemy. We’d learned very early on in TNG that you do not, cannot, and should go head to head against the Borg. Voyager made the Borg weak and pointless. They took all of the enjoyment out of the Borg. I think the reason the Borg were so powerful and respected in TNG is that out of some 178 episodes, we saw the Borg 5 times, and each time we saw them, we had reason to fear. (I think the only tragedy about the borg in TNG was that there was an original plan to keep Picard assimilated for several episodes.)

Voyager had us fighting the Borg every other episode it felt like, and it never seemed to last more than an episode or two.

I as a Voyager lover (once deeply) HATED the borg episodes.

But I have to say most of the time, it wasn’t because they made the Borg look weak. They are running away from the Borg all the time.

And even In TNG, when the Enterprise isn’t the target of the Borg, they can just beam on board and walk around, until the Collective had enough of them poking around.

In fact, until the episode Unimatrix Zero, which I hated, Borg episode either involve running away from the Borg, finding dead borg, dealing with astray Borgs, or allying with the Borg against 8472.

Unimatrix Zero involved infiltrating Unimatrix Zero to cause Borgs to retain individuality and rebel in order to do some damage.

Even though it wasn’t until End Game that they confronted the Borg headon with Future technology, I think Unimatrix is the one episode that destroyed the Borg’s image of over powering enemy.

In the end, I headed all the borg centric stories because they were so plot driven, most of them really weren’t all that memorable.

[Tom]

I liked the whole ‘lost in space’ premise, but for me it was the characters. up until Voyager, Star Trek was rich with interesting characters, with great chemistry. Not that the Voyager crew was that bad. They were just…eh.

[roosterpfunk69]

I didn’t LIKE voyager characters… I accepted them.
( not all true: I hated Neelix, Tores, Kes, and Harry Kim for a season or two)

In TNG:.
I was a big TOS fan and had seen every movie up to that point ( 4)
When I watched Farpoint on the premier night. I Liked Riker, I liked Troi, ( but thought that her job was stupid) and i liked Crusher ( what I liked about her- I hated about the show. I liked her haveing to be a mother… but hated kids being on the ship. I was a navy brat and thought that was the worst idea ever. what about when the romulans attack the ship??)

I accepted Data, Geordi, and

I HATED Worf (he was horrible at first. at that time he was the worst actor to play a Klingon. Compare him in farpoint to Christopher Loyd in ST3 or the Klingons from TOS. He sucked. Wesley he was MY AGE- you wanted to look up to characters in trek- not think they were dork nerds, Picard ( he just wasnt heroic. I couldn’t look up to an old skinny bald dude that didn’t whip ass, and how was he EVER gonna get laid by anything other than a dude?) and Yar was hidious. They tried to play her as hot and she wasn’t, they tried to play her as tough and she wasn’t, they made her cry about her childhood at any chance she had. sucked!!!

but as time went on I grew to like the way they handled the show.
Yar died. They made worf cool, ditched wesley, and Picard… well you had no choice cause they wouldn’t give the ship to Riker.

as time passed I learned to like these guys.

The Voyager crew… you had to just keep on accepting them.

[hansioux]

i have it opposite. I didn’t really loved any of the TNG characters. About the only one that is lovable of the main cast is Data. It was always the plot and the plot which makes people think that got me for the TNG.

With Voyager I loved the crew and I just wanted to see they succeed. It was like watching your friends. Sometimes they do great extraordinary things, with captivating plots, but often times it’s almost like being at a friend’s wedding reception. You are really there just for your friends, it’s not like the reception is the first place you want to be.

I like Tuvok and Janeway’s friendship. I liked Tuvok and Neelix’s friendship. I liked Kim and Paris’s friendship. I liked the Doctor with anyone. I watched it for the characters more so than the actually plot. The character’s creating some fun in very difficult situations, and it’s the characters that make me laugh. And once in a while there’d be a really great story worthy of being Star Trek classics, that’s full off the character’s heart.

[Cavatar]

to be honest… most of the ships on Star Trek looks ridiculous… The only really astetically pleasing one is the Sovereign Class a.k.a. Enterprise-E. I think most people like a certain ship because they are attached to a certain series. Not with Enterprise-E tho, since there was no series, just a couple of movies which I didn’t really like. But it is the prettiest federation ship in the Trek universe.

Yeah you do make good points about some liking the ship from the series they liked and what you said about the Enterprise-E.

Personally, the ships I liked best out of the entire Star Trek universe were the Enterprise-E, the Enterprise-A/refit, The Excelsior/Enterprise-B and the Nova Class.

[monster_jester]

I just never cared for the cast. Or the writing. Or the ship. DS9 was uneven, but most of the cast were great. Voyager and Enterprise were just weak; a few good episodes here and there, especially in later seasons, but overall both series fail.

[Cavatar]

I just never cared for the cast. Or the writing. Or the ship. DS9 was uneven, but most of the cast were great. Voyager and Enterprise were just weak; a few good episodes here and there, especially in later seasons, but overall both series fail.

Yeah I have to agree with you on that… I never gave Voyager that much of a chance, I mean I tuned in and tried but I hated the ship, I didn’t care for the cast and just stopped watching. However at the time it wasn’t the only Star Trek out there. Later with Enterprise, I tried, I mean I really tired to like the show and get into it and I just couldn’t. I am to big on the details and facts in the series to sit and watch all there contradictions (like Phasers before Worf said they were invented, ect). I would have rather have seen a Excelsior series with Sulu as Captain, or to be honest what I really wanted to see (this is going back to when DS9 came out) was a new series with Riker as Captain. He could have left TNG after The Best of Both Worlds part II and come back the Captain of a super cool ship. Maybe even have Shelby as his XO or something. Oh well… that was a very long time ago now.

[The_Operator]

Jt didn’t do it for me…i treid but just wasnt feeling it

[sircastor]

I would have rather have seen a Excelsior series with Sulu as Captain

As I recall, this was an option early on, and was dismissed, which is a tragedy to me. I think an Excelsior episode would have been received really well.

[Pike]

As I recall, this was an option early on, and was dismissed, which is a tragedy to me. I think an Excelsior episode would have been received really well.

Make it so.

[sircastor]

Make it so.

Actually, I was referring to a show that would have featured Sulu as captain of the Excelsior. It would have made an excellent series…

That said, Thanks for pointing this out. It’s been years since I’ve listened to any of the Trek audio shows, and I’d forgotten about them. I’m going to take a look at this when I get home.

[Cavatar]

As I recall, this was an option early on, and was dismissed, which is a tragedy to me. I think an Excelsior episode would have been received really well.

It would have had an interesting fan mix to start out with… I mean there would have been the fans of TOS that maybe didn’t like the newer series, fans like me who was a child during the first films, and the younger newer fans at that time who would have showed to check it out. But what do I know about demographics.

[hansioux]

It would have had an interesting fan mix to start out with… I mean there would have been the fans of TOS that maybe didn’t like the newer series, fans like me who was a child during the first films, and the younger newer fans at that time who would have showed to check it out. But what do I know about demographics.

and they could have the first openly gay star-fleet captain… i’d watch that.

[Fenatic]

My feelings on Voyager was that it had a good premise, some good characters, but on a weekly basis it was just not that interesting. In the end it was just weak writing. I know thats a broad complaint, but it all comes back to that for me.