Turkana 4 - Birthplace of Tasha Yar

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#1

This never set well with me.

When the govt fell, police powers were given to rival factions within the govt and anacrchy broke out. They said that the colony severd it’s ties with the federation and warned that any landing partys that beemed down would be killed. The federation just left them alone. as of Season three TNG, the federation hadn’t had a ship there in 6 years.

This is a human colony. Why didn’t the federation just bring in scores of ships and troops and bring order and evacuation to these people. They just left them there to rot for years! I mean we all heard Tash whine about the living conditions… where is the compasionate federation on this one. This was not the most well thought out episode! Or Starfleet’s finest moment.

So TNG federation gave away planets ful of humans to the cardasians to avoid a war with a vastly inferior race. They also left these people to Rot in order to avoid fighting piss-ant colonists!

#2

“The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe.”

I see what you’re saying. We really don’t know the whole story, though. The Federation did eventually show up and save Tasha. Perhaps the powers on the planet severed ties but made something up until someone escaped and revealed the truth to the Federation.

Besides, you can leave the Federation. The problem here is that no one followed up. Millions of people were left at the peril of anarchy.

#3

Tasha was recued 15 years prior to season 4. She tells the stories of how bad things were. ANY federation citizen would advocate rescue of the entire colony based on Tasha’s description. That was during the fall of the colony. Things got worse after she left.

There is a follow up episode where an escape pod crashlands on the planet ( escape from new york style) and the landing party has to get them back. We find out that a federation vessel hasn’t even visited the planet in 6 years. They know what’s going on there. Also… the people " in charge" are gangs… so their claim to sovrienty isn’t valid because the federation knows that citizens are living under gang rule at best, and anarchy at the worse. Even if two factions have claimed independance… there are countless federation citizens and their one generation of offspring that seek rescue.

In the episode the federation rescues it’s crewman and leaves the planet as it was. It is never resolved.

#4

Neither of which precludes sovereignty.

#5

Sovereignty, that reminds me of when we used to hate the klingons because they f’d with all the little sovereign planets and the federation had morality.

Actually that’s something I always wondered about the "peace with the Klingons " thing. Maybe the reason that the federation sucks between the time of Kirk and the beggining of the Dominion war is the fact that they want peace at all costs. Did the Klingons stop enslaveing planets when the federation made peace with them? Or did the Federation just decide “peace no matter what”. I mean the reason for federation / Klingon hostility was always presented as the fact that the klingons enslave or opress everything they can. The federation is against this for moral reasons as well as self preservation.

After Khitomer… did the federation just say “look as long as you don’t threaten us, enslave all the little people you want … we won’t say a word. As a matter of fact… if the you get too close to the Romulans and they strike back, be have your back.”

That is really a wussyfied way to go about things and isn’t quite heroic or a future than anyone should hope for. Between letting these people on Tasha’s planet rot ( a colony… so the federation has dominion over them weather they want it or not. There are desperate citizens on that planet and the federation hates violence so badly… they won’t fight for them), they gave all those planets to the spoon heads and created the maquis ( who were later kinda proven to be a good thing, and good peple), and crated a bunch of admirals to be dick’s to Picard.

I just can’t buy that the federation just says “hands off” to a bunch of federation citizens ( earthlings- they use the word “Earth Colony”) in peril. I find it interesting that this planet has slipped thru the cracks of memory for those of us that think that pre-dominion trek is portrayed as shangri-la. In fact… based on the points I 've made here and thinking about how this life style is directly responsible for the millions of federation deaths during the dominion war… this is the Dark Ages od Star Trek.

#6

TOS era, they had the Organians to contend with. They could each expand their sphere of influence, but only by “developing” the natives*, see “A Private Little War.”

*which seems to fly in the face of the Prime Directive, but whatever.

#7

Ok two parts here. First, as far as the klingons are concerned. In The Undiscovered Country, you have the Klingons basically at the mercy of the Federation. Yes Yes there were factions that would rather fight on to the bitter end. Cooler heads prevailed and the accords were signed. Now FF about another 90+ years the peace with the Federation is cool at best. The battle with the Big E C is what helped forge a more meaningful alliance. As has been mentioned in TOS. The means by which the Klingons do business are Brutal but quite effective. If we all remember the way TGBOG envisioned it The Feds are NATO Klings USSR and the Roms China. The Klingons could be looked at that since they have a very difficult existence that translates into the tactics and actions they take in life. Basically Life’s hard get used to it.

Second, as to what happened and is happening on on Tasha’s home planet. Think of it as either Somalia or Iraq. Yes we know what is happening. Yes we don’t approve of it and you gladly try to not have it occur. Now REALITY, we don’t have the time assets or manpower to quell an entire planet. Answer NO. Same as is what is going on now. Personally I’d like nothing better the to nuke the whole Somali coast and fire at will any pirate ships seen. Will that happen? Not at this time. It would have to be something like Escape from NY where there is a high value asset (President). Then you have the systematic destruction of their country with napalm until They have to release said asset. If said asset is harmed or killed the its scorched earth time. It took years in Iraq with not a good outcome for years. Then we grew some and worked with the opposition and brought a modicum of peace there. Now try doing that on a planetary scale. Not as easy as you might think.

Oh well with the introduction of the new movie these events may not have even happened.

#8

Oh, go dust JJ’s directorial chair why don’t ya!

J/K

But it did happen…in the past not the future past…ugh! That’s what I really liked about the new Star Trek film. It didn’t frak with what has already happened. It’s a whole new universe.

#9

So true, heck Tasha could now be the Ruler of all the gangs. The possibilities are endless.

#10

Maybe she could have cut the Feds in for a piece of the action?

#11

Why? did she lose to them in a crucial hand of Fizzbinn?

#12

Beat me to it.

Baltar’s dad

#13

Is it Tuesday?:smiley:

#14

In a new JJ version… There will be on peace with anyone! Nobody buys a movie ticket to view peace!