How about she’s just a bit of a beeyotch when she airlocks Cally? That was cruel by any standard. :mad:
Because she killed someone in cold blood.
That’s how it starts. But it’s not where it ends. Her secrets are getting deeper.
Yea, right. It was a mercy killing. Poor Cally was living a nightmare that would never end. She saved her from future suffering.
I’m not sure how that is applicable to this situation.
Interesting that you should mention Hannah Arendt because Bob Kowalski left a note on my blog:
http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2008/04/why-new-battlestar-galactica-is-more.html
He told me I should track down an essay by Hannah Arendt called, “Personal Responsibility under Dictatorship.” In it she asks why some people did not collaborate with the Nazis. It turns out that there are people who don’t do certain things because these people know that they will have to live with themselves.
I’m wondering when Tory will get knocked off?
Bets, anyone?
Kind of raises the question can she be knocked off? We know they (Final Five) are different, but do we know that they can’t be downloaded?
You’d need a resurrection ship near Galactica to find out.
Perhaps in the coming episodes, we’d see Tigh making a makeshift tub of goo in his cabin.
“It’s a secret recipe!”
Mix’n’Mojo!
I know that one of BSG’s strongpoints is the blurring of the lines between good and evil, and the writers have gotten very good at completely reversing our perceptions of several characters, but…that creep Tory is going to have to save a whole shipload of kittens before I’d even consider giving her a second thought before dumping her in a woodchipper.
I can’t say when, but I can say how. By pipe.
Yes, they could have done it during Black Market. Only kidding around - I liked even that episode (and yes it was way too early). I guess we’ve had 22 days since Tory’s visit to Baltar’s temple of [see Charlie Brooker’s Guardian article to complete the phrase]. So plenty of time for the transition - it just happened off screen.
Okay, by pipe, but will it be Col. Mustard in the library, or Ms. Peacock in the dinning room?
On the whole Evil/evil Tory thing, I can see her reasoning, but won’t attempt to excuse her - she made a choice that was morally wrong.
She presumably expected Cally to reveal the identity of her, Chief and Tigh, and assumed this would be really, really bad for them. Once she saw that Cally knew all about them and how she reacted, she saw her choice as eliminating Cally or being discovered, with dire consequences. She saw that Cally hated her for what she was and would presumably have had her thrown out of an airlock at the first opportunity, so saw it in terms “her or me/us”. So I completely understand her reasoning.
What was so awful was the cold, calculating and callous way she went about it, and her terminator/unreconstructed Cylon strength (well, the actual act was pretty bad too). What was a shame, from the perspective of the Cylons as fully rounded, ethical beings (a shame in the context of the story, not in terms of te writing) was that she behaved so coldly logically and didn’t allow a sense of morality to undermine her self-preservation (but from the outset Tory has been ruthless - think about the election stealing).
The ethical thing to do would have been to appeal to Cally as a human being, as she was doing at least ostensibly, and drive home the message that they were as “human” as the next person. She could have done this once Cally had broken down. If Cally had refused to be moved, they could have made out she was deranged - probably could have worked, but the Chief would have to have gone along with it, and I’m not sure I could see that. Ulitmately he would have probably owned up to what he was, getting them all in trouble. Of course they could have presented themselves to Adama, admitted to being Cylons, and asked to be trusted or confined to the brig. That would be the most ethically sound option, although there would be a risk of airlocking. But I think that’s the one I’d hope I’d take in that situation.
So, understandable, but unethical, and while I have some sympathy for Tory, it’s limited and doesn’t go as far as letting her off the hook for this.
I guess Cally’s death will be passed off as suicide, Tory will find it difficult to live with the guilt and deception, and seek solace in the arms of Baltar. Not sure what Head Six will have to say about that. But maybe this could be a new alliance that helps reconciliate the 5 with the 7, or split both. Or perhaps she’ll just turn into a hot, evil terminatrix…
I don’t find Tory sympathetic at all! But I find myself immensely interested in Tory and what happens to her hereafter. Sean’s not wrong to say that it’s totally hot when you’ve got a homicidal hottie on board. My interest in the character had grown leaps and bounds ever since. I have to think that’s a good thing, considering not so long ago I was the most disappointed in finding out she’s one of the snooze four, coz we don’t know much about her.
Okay, by pipe, but will it be Col. Mustard in the library, or Ms. Peacock in the dinning room?
My guess is Mr. Tyrol, in Tigh’s cabin next to the makeshift tub of goo, with the dagger.
Unless the butler did it.
I don’t think Tory is human enough to be troubled by guilt. She’s not human and she hasn’t picked up the human moral sentiments like Chief Tyrol seems to have. But I do hope to see her seeking solace in the arms of Baltar, not because of guilt but because of her rejection by Chief. Though, I do think she might use Baltar to question her options as a kind of pseudo-guilt and clue Baltar in to her secret.
I liked the speed of it. Nothing brings out your true nature than urgency and fear. Now I wonder how far Tyrol and Tigh will go to protect their identities.
I get the feeling that the chief is going to have to take the wrap for this. The chief has too much of a conscience and won’t be able to look at Nicky without getting crushed by the fact that he knows Tory whacked her.
P.S. why didn’t Cally go to Adama or any other person for help? Plus why did we hear that funky Sitar music again while she was walking the corridors on the way to the airlock?
All fine and dandy, except in my review of “Six of One”:
http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2008/04/six-of-one-disturbingly-delicious-part.html
I noted that the emotions that caused Tory to cry didn’t connect to any obvious reading of her thoughts. It’s this kind of intense emotional ambiguity, mystery and suspense that keeps me going back. But now I’m wondering if those tears meant anything. It seemed like an implied promise that we’d learn more about why she did it.
Maybe they’ll pick it up later with a flashback, but I’m not so sure.
If it were me I’d have taken that note about the meeting to Adama - I hope I’d have a clear enough head to do it - it wouldn’t have been much evidence, but it would have been something more than my word.
Cally just couldn’t think rationally – because if she had the story would have gotten longer and messier than the writers wanted.
And they’ve set up Tory as (for now), a very strong antagonist, which aside from Cavil is something we’ve been without for a bit… She’s the Cavil of the Final Five. Let’s hope they don’t team up somehow !