Once in a blue moon I see the forest instead of the trees. And what follows is not based on any spoiler information.
In the grand sense of the word - how, under any circumstances - no matter how the series ends - can the “cycle” be broken? It’s all about organic life playing “god” and creating inorganic (at least to start with) life. No matter how BSG ends - even vanquishing of the “bad” Cylons and “blending” of the “good” Cylons and humans, given the passage of enough time the descendants of the latter will try to create sentient machines - right? Just like we here on Earth presently are doing - right? There’s no escaping it. And the premise of the show is that, ultimately, so doing turns out badly. Isn’t that the cycle (not necessarily Cylons per se or OGG’s or whatever) - man playing “god”?
I believe you are correct. The only way to keep the cycle from happening again is to make sure that the knowledge that it’s a bad idea to play “god” gets passed down through the generations. Maybe this cycle is the first time that people will be aware that there is a cycle at all…and therefore will leave somekind of safeguard against it happening again.
Perhaps they’ll stop the cycles by sending out the encoded number 3, in the hopes that someone will figure it out and make the right call next time.
:rolleyes:
perhaps the cycle is not an actual loop, but rather the natural order of things.
humans outgrow their “gods” on kobal and leave and are on their own.
cycle repeats as
Cylons outgrow their “creators” on the colonys and leave and are on their own.
Cycle repeats as…
Skin jobs out grow their “creators” and make them leave and are on their own.
the way the cycle could be broken is by rejoining cylon and human and going back to Kobal.
OR maybe the cycle can never be broken as in “the parents have to die for the children to come into their own.”
Circle of life…this has happened before and will happen again.
And unless humans are exterminated - completely - the cycle (in some form) continues. Lee was wrong - unless his “kind” is obliterated, “it” does have to happen again.
That all sounds about right. So long as mankind continues to exist, the cycle continues because the potential for it to start over will always exist. Events always become the past and eventually become stories, and then legends, and then myths, and then forgotten; there’s no way to guarantee that 2000 years in the future the remnants of humanity will still be avoiding sentient robots.
Yeah but with all the Christian overtones from the last episode regarding Kara, could she be a “new” person free from “sin”? The whole Daniel-Hera-Kara connection could be the “new” humanity free from the cycle of sin.
I don’t think so. I think they “merely” may allow the good guys (at least from our perspective) to survive and, indeed, eventually prosper until way in the future they again “sin” by playing “god”. Your Garden of Eden reference is spot on.
The sin of Adam and Eve in The Bible is presumed to be carnal knowledge of each other. However, the implications of such an Eden and a casting out may fit quite nicely into what we are thinking about BSG. The societies that man keeps creating over and over (Kobol, Erf, The Colonies) aren’t exactly paradise, but they’re a heck of a lot better than being cooped up in space ships for who knows how long, etc. The one thing that will always bring down these societies is man playing “god”. Every time. That’s the “forbidden fruit” in the BSG universe. And man being man, this will always happen.
It’s also a pretty cool way for the saga to let the individual viewer decide whether there is a true religious aspect to this or not (or not be able to decide as the case may be).
Ok, Old Timer, I think I completely agree with you.
There is no stopping the cycle, because “humanity” or whatever the species is, will always eventually “play God”. No warning against doing this, be it through “holy texts” or prophesies would be effective.
“Humans” are born with only individual wisdom, not race memories of past mistakes our species has made. Individual wisdom stands on the shoulders of our mistakes.
The cycle is the cycle, man (or whoever happens to be left standing) playing “god” and attempting to create life somewhat in his own image and then bending it to his will - with, shall we say, mixed results.
So, the key to the finale with BSG will be in the details - what form of “life” will remain to perpetuate the cycle, how do they prevail, where do they end up, who exactly of them is left standing and what are their circumstances (that is, how primitive). (As well as all the other questions particular to facts we have seen/know - who are the Lords, how come the OGG knew so much, etc. - and it should come as no surprise if answers to some of those questions - particularly as they relate to events on Caprica before and after the attack - are left for The Plan.)
Then there is what I have always thought is the major moment issue - how do “we” here on Earth fit into the picture. I know many keen observers of BSG believe that we do not. That is one idea with which I completely disagree. “Our” place in the BSG saga is the big payoff theme. And there are three options:
We are in the BSG past;
We are in the BSG present;
We are in the BSG future.
(Sometimes my own brilliance startles even me.)
Most of the speculation about this issue has gone with what’s behind curtain number three. I remain unconvinced, because I am hung up on the evolution of life on Earth. I don’t see how “we” plausibly can be the descendents of BSG survivors who end up “here”. That resolution is also pretty trite in my view.
[spoiler]And those of you familiar with the so called Times Square ending spoiler - I have my doubts - or at least doubts about what it “means”, if accurate.[/spoiler]
(Staying away from spoilers, so didn’t read your spoiler box OT.)
Good - but I’ll tell you (and all this) - it has nothing to do with the curtain I picked, but still should not be read. It appears to be a legit spoiler that has been around for a while now.
That’s what confuses me about this. If they have the technology to travel the stars then wouldn’t they have a slightly better account of what happened on Kobol other than Pythia unless they forgot how to read and write. Other than having the population of humanity reduced to like 200 would they not keep some notable record of what really happened assuming 2,000 years is long enough to destroy whatever that evidence was.
